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Hard News: Vision and dumbassery

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  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    even if it also eats my riposte?

    Swine/pearl filter.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson, in reply to stephen clover,

    I suspect the most effective way of dealing with a troll’s persistence is literally to ignore him. He will eventually literally go away.

    Pertinent discussion at making light on just this subject – the first few comments are worth reading – based on some recently published research into the effects of different treatments of trolls in online forums.

    Headline findings (from the washington post summary)

    (1) People who write low quality posts are more likely to write again when they get negative attention. Furthermore, the quality of their posts deteriorates. This goes beyond the simple adage that you shouldn’t feed the trolls by giving them attention. The evidence suggests that negative feedback can perhaps actually create trolls. It also suggests that people getting negative feedback are more likely to give others negative feedback, too, spreading the infection.

    (2) People who write high quality posts are encouraged by positive attention to write more. However, they aren’t as encouraged by positive attention as bad posters are by negative attention. Furthermore, the quality of their posts does not go up. Broadly speaking, encouragement doesn’t seem particularly effective.

    The focus was on upvote/downvote based forums for the research, though the making light discussion goes more into what might be effective alternatives for the modern commenter.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 294 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Dismal Soyanz,

    Whale oil was used as a cheap illuminant, though it gave off a strong odor when burnt and was not very popular.

    That would be the low grade black whale. Sperm whale was clean burning ( still is )

    Interesting fact. The ‘price of oil per barrel’ currently used in economics news presentations, is a legacy of the whale based economy. Modern society needed the whales to light the lucrative night life. As the whale stocks dropped away the prices increased, until alternative lighting fuels such as Texas crude captured the imagination.

    The steel barrels where originally designed for man handling the whales oil on off and around sailing ships and dock yards. I don’t no why we still use the barrels. They are still very usefull in low tech society’s like Fiji I suppose.

    Which reminds me. Fiji election! They have there democracy back!

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    It’s really hard trying to double check my facts about whale based economics on google. There is an ugly thug sitting on the search engines hit list

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to steven crawford,

    Which reminds me. Fiji election! They have there democracy back!

    #yeahright

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to steven crawford,

    That would be the low grade black whale. Sperm whale was clean burning

    really don't want to carry this metaphor to its ending

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to steven crawford,

    That would be the low grade black whale. Sperm whale was clean burning ( still is )

    For really high quality grease the pishtaco is the expert.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Love your avatar, Joe. I only just realised :-)

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 310 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    concrete jandal,

    And the livin' is easy.
    Props to Marley...
    And Michael Homer.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Trevor Nicholls,

    Love your avatar, Joe. I only just realised :-)

    Leaves me cold ;-)

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Michael Homer,

    When you click the button, it hides all other posts by that user afterwards

    Genius. Have wanted that for many years.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    I already thought about doing deals. But hell, these DHBs and all that paper work.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Jake Scarrow lives on planet Key. On planet key there are no toilets So that is why Jack Scarrow is full of shit.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Sacha,

    Genius. Have wanted that for many years.

    Then I should take this moment to say,,,, Byeeeee.... ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to steven crawford,

    "whale oil -whaleoil -slater -beef"

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Whale meat again

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    heh

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    sorry, worth it

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Greg Dawson,

    interesting, thanks

    But when you apply the study conclusions to the internet as a whole, you get exactly what we’re seeing now: communities like Reddit and 4chan are criticized (negative feedback), and begin to see themselves as persecuted. Their worst sides gain strength. The volume of negative output increases, and the gleeful nastiness drives out thoughtful, balanced conversation, even within the communities themselves.

    I know of no rough beast whose hour has come at last to solve this. Not feeding the trolls—whether individual or collective—isn’t always practical, and the model that keeps communities like this sane (strong, human moderation) can’t work across multiple sites with no unified owner.

    strong, human moderation.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to nzlemming,

    Leaves me cold ;-)

    'Hopster! Hopster! Help! Help! Stopster!' they screamed

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10633 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Greg Dawson,

    So the good stay good and the bad get worse.

    Wow way to cheer me up dude!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4451 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Back in Gotham…. (capital city of Globalcorp, planet Key)
    It was not me it was…..

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    I just put up a message for you over at Dirty pols

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Not a lot of songs about Vera Lynn.

    Vera Lynn, Vera Lynn,
    cleanse us with your healing grin

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Not a lot of songs about Vera Lynn.

    Timing is of the essence. That's weird I wrote 'bout Stella on dirty Politics thread and you posted that. Stream of consciousness man . And no offence either, in case you were going there.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

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