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Legal Beagle: Kim Dotcom: We need an Inquiry!

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  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Sacha,

    BREAKING: PM admits Kim Dotcom was mentioned briefly in a GCSB briefing in Feb; but he wasn't told about surveillance till Sept

    There goes that 'fact'.

    Heh. Who would've suspected! :-) (btw, finally watched the Campbell clip- good digging there! Damning.)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 1589 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    I don't know why we don't have that? Has it ever been considered?

    Me neither. And I don't know.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16838 posts Report Reply

  • Alec Morgan, in reply to Sacha,

    Yes an excellent primer.

    Tokerau Beach • Since Nov 2006 • 105 posts Report Reply

  • Biobbs, in reply to Sacha,

    I don't know why we don't have that? Has it ever been considered?

    Me neither. And I don't know.

    What are the relative roles in NZ of the Police and the Crown Prosecutors in deciding whether a prosecution should proceed in indicatable cases? Is that one of the things the Crown Prosecutors are supposed to do? (Questions asked here by someone who cheerfully admits complete ignorance about these things). Presumably in summary offences it is solely the Police who decide whether or not charges are laid, but is the CP a gatekeeper for more serious criminal offences? In a really major case, does the Solicitor-General also fulfil this role?

    The River Mouth, Denmark • Since Jan 2011 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    Do the laws we have reflect a proper regard for the competing values our society recognises?

    Those "competing values" need to be looked at, but they wont be.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1237 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Biobbs,

    All good questions. Perhaps another post, Graeme (on a roll)?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16838 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    “It is a truth universally acknowledged whereas in an unlawful action of fhe state coupled with a Prime Minister who suffers from brain fade and a lack of a good mental facility, then it must surely follow an inquiry is warranted.”

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1208 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    Oh the hilarity of the fire that can’t be extinguished until all the fuel burns:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10838484

    Asked about the possibility of earlier spying, a spokeswoman said the Prime Minister had sought and received "a fresh assurance" the GCSB and Security Intelligence Service had not carried out any surveillance before December 16.

    Green co-leader Russel Norman said it could not be ruled out.

    He said a commission of inquiry was needed to examine the behaviour of the GCSB.

    He said it could be conducted in secrecy with sensitive material excised from a final public report.

    Mr Norman highlighted the Echelon of Five Eyes agreement where the GCSB worked with intelligence agencies from the US, Australia, Canada and the UK.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1208 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    [edit] No it wasn't. My brain is mush

    In the Harold this morning: Dotcom explanation won't wash: experts

    TL;DR Lawyers call bullshit on law change excuse for GCSB spying; say Dotcom only ever entered the country under the new law.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2198 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to nzlemming,

    Mr Edgeler fisks that one in a new post.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16838 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler, in reply to Sacha,

    Mr Edgeler fisks that one in a new post.

    Does is still count as Fisking if you agree?

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3011 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Graeme Edgeler,

    I think Fisking is the act of disection for analysis, which is usually done to disprove claims, I agree. Your post is like a "read more" link on the original article.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2198 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Graeme Edgeler,

    sorry, fisking the PM's statement, not Fisher's article

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16838 posts Report Reply

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