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Up Front: The Classics Are Rubbish Too

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  • Lucy Stewart,

    *cough* At least she left the fucking (and I mean fucking) Tudors alone. If I see one more novel about any sodding Boleyn girl or anyone else who got their ya-yas off in Tudor or Early Stuart England I'll be reviewing it with a can of lighter fluid and a match.

    Sorry to disappoint - she did Charles II (although, to be fair, that's more Late Stuart than Early.) Not that I've read it; I love Heyer in general, but her pre-Regency stuff (there's a William the Conqueror one, shudder) leaves me cold.

    Amherst, MA • Since Nov 2006 • 2093 posts Report Reply

  • David Cormack,

    Catch 22 took me six months to read the first time I read it (and I usually mow through a book in a weekend) and I hated it. Didn't get it.

    I was 13.

    Then I reread it when I was 16. Same deal.

    Then when I was 20 I picked it up and couldn't put it down. Read it in one night and my god. What a book!

    Suburbia, Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 216 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    I love Heyer in general, but her pre-Regency stuff (there's a William the Conqueror one, shudder) leaves me cold.

    Hell yes, and the sad thing is that My Lord John (which was unfinished when she died and published posthumously) is kind of the her equivalent of Peter Jackson's King Kong. It was the project closest to her heart, but for all kinds of reason she just couldn't get it to work. The one great injustice of those who dismiss Heyer as a purveyor of "Regency romances" is that it doesn't acknowledge she did a hell of a lot of research and, more importantly, worked it into the novels without the fatal Basil Exposition dialogue or raw info-dumps that screw far too many historical novels for me.

    Not that I've got anything against romance -- especially when, at their best, a Heyer heroine is several orders of magnitude brighter than any man in view. :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Then when I was 20 I picked it up and couldn't put it down. Read it in one night and my god. What a book!

    I you got that right. Heller got so tired of asking how come he never wrote anything that good again, that once he replied that neither has anybody else.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7386 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    Pride and Extreme Prejudice

    Anyone interested in seeing what this would look like should hunt down the Monty Python/Sam Peckinpah/Salad Days sketch. It's probably on youtube but I can't access it.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    __ Anything by Jane Austen.__

    right on.

    the films are worse. a bunch of foofy tosh.

    Philistines.

    Manawatu City • Since Nov 2006 • 1323 posts Report Reply

  • Creon Upton,

    It is this simple: you cannot grow bananas in London, Jaguar did not make a car like that before the end of the war and Pynchon does not understand the English class system.

    And any loser could paint like Mondrian.

    It is our weakness for narrative and realism that creates churlish readers and makes most novels dull.

    Anyone who feels like a failure because they can't finish Gravity's Rainbow is lacking perspective.

    But anyone who feels Gravity's Rainbow is a failure because they can't finish it is lacking more.

    Christchurch • Since Aug 2007 • 68 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    so tired of asking

    So tired of being asked, obviously.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7386 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    Philistines.

    LOL. (i knew that would draw you out)

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2026 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Philistines.

    LOL. (i knew that would draw you out)

    I simply wasn't going to sink to acknowledging your attempts at baiting.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4369 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    (i knew that would draw you out)

    I raced back home between tutes, to cook some chocolate sponge rolls for the vegetarians who are coming over for dinner tonight, and said to myself that I would only look at PAS, I wouldn't post because I didn't have time....

    I plead extreme provocation.

    I'm going back to my much more reasonable first year ethics students now.

    Manawatu City • Since Nov 2006 • 1323 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    And my all time favourite author at this point in time is Coetzee: Disgrace is the best

    I did not enjoy that book at all. It is entirely possible that I just didn't get it, but the theme seemed to be 'woman brutally raped as symbolic revenge for apartheid', and I was all squicked. Like, OK, awesome, she's your sacrificial Jesus figure or whatever, but don't expect me to find it moving.

    Also, Austen rules. A pox on you naysayers.

    Also (2): I hardly read anything worth a damn any more. I really need to win Lotto and stop working so I can concentrate on something worthy.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3661 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    <che apologies for trollish behaviour, but does not back away from seeking acknowledgement that austen's priggish characters are, at best, foofy>

    a shiriken death to d'arcy.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2026 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    a shiriken death to d'arcy

    Tricky, when in my head he's standing on the lakeshore, his wet white shirt plastered to his torso, holding an AK-47 and screaming 'yippie-ki-ay motherfucker'. That's what you people have done to my psyche.

    However. You'll get no traction dissing P&P, Tibby, but I'll give you Persuasion and Mansfield Park. Both main characters make me desperately want to slap them until they grow a freaking spine.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4369 posts Report Reply

  • Andrew Stevenson,

    I really need to win Lotto and stop working so I can concentrate on something worthy

    Amen
    One of the problems with this thread is now my Must Read pile (aka the spare room) is growing far too large, same with the Must Reread pile (aka the downstairs library), while only a few are falling into the Don't Read pile

    Damn you Emma Hart

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 195 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    If his name was actually apostrophised (is that a word?), then you'd have some evidence of foofiness. Snerk.

    Also, I don't understand this accusation of priggishness. In which universe would you not be a tad upset if your 15-year-old daughter/sister eloped with a wrong-un and spent several weeks in London gettin' busy, in a time with no female career prospects and no reliable contraception? They were trying to be *sensible*, not priggish. In sum: harumph.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3661 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    I really need to win Lotto and stop working so I can concentrate on something worthy

    1. walk into your living room.

    2. pick up the TV.

    3. uplug it and carry it out the door to the garden.

    4. hit it will a shovel until it is broken.

    5. return indoors, put feet up, and read harry potter. (it is after all an entry-level drug).

    6. yell, yippee-ki-ay motherfcuker, for effect.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2026 posts Report Reply

  • Megan Wegan,

    return indoors, put feet up, and read harry potter. (it is after all an entry-level drug).

    Confession time. I've just read all 7 Harry Potters, in about 3 weeks. I'd resisted them before, because,w ell, I like to be contrary (see also: refuses to buy IPod.)

    I'm now having trouble returning to anything worthy. I actually put down Plumb last night, and started to re-read The Order of the Phoenix.

    Che? Help. But you better leave Mr Darcy alone.

    Welly • Since Jul 2008 • 1273 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    Emma, this may be the first time in my life I have ever disagreed with you (and it may well be the last), but I love Anne Elliot and think Persuasion is one of the best of Austen's novels. So much more fragile and regretful...

    Fanny Price can get knotted, though. Wafting about yearning for your first cousin and getting all horrified by amateur theatrics? Meh. (Che, I'll give you that one.)

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3661 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    (see also: refuses to buy IPod.)

    Me too. The only apple product I've ever bought is cider.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7386 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    I'm with Danielle on the great worth of Persuasion and Anne Elliot, but Emma, Danielle - don't you know the basic rule of Austen netiquette? Don't start a flame war about Fanny Price.

    Manawatu City • Since Nov 2006 • 1323 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    1. walk into your living room.
    2. pick up the TV.
    3. uplug it and carry it out the door to the garden.
    4. hit it with a shovel until it is broken.

    Erm. You're talking to a person who squealed with excitement when she discovered that the Vibe channel was going to show Judge Joe Brown every weekday, because *I have a favourite judge show*. I think winning Lotto is more likely.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3661 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    [Piers Anthony's] Xanth series is a little better,

    at least, in small doses. I found Anthony's "Incarnations of Immortality" series a more satisfying read, because there he's trying to map out his personal philosophy, rather than labouring to put a bad pun in every paragraph as in Xanth. It's still uneven, though. My favourites were the first (__Riding a Pale Horse__) and last (__And Eternity__) -- but Being a Green Mother and__For Love of Evil__, in particular, are patchy, and if you're ploughing through all seven, there's quite a lot of unnecessary repetition of the plotlines, especially from those two books. It's like he sold the publisher on the idea that there should be one book for each of the seven main characters, and then was contractually obligated to churn out all seven to fit that structure ... but couldn't quite convince himself of the necessity.

    But, hey, if you want fantasy series for that difficult age group, how about Patricia Wrightson's Wirrin arc (which begins with The Nargun and the Stars, and makes prominent use of characters from Aboriginal mythology)?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 918 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    Tricky, when in my head he's standing on the lakeshore, his wet white shirt plastered to his torso, holding an AK-4

    Darcy. Fitzwilliam Darcy. Shaken & stirred.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2074 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    Me too. The only apple product I've ever bought is cider.

    Iscrumpy.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2074 posts Report Reply

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