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  • Phil Lyth,

    The Supreme Court has just released a judgement on one of the appeals in Bain. Plenty to read there and no doubt TV will be full of it.

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 443 posts Report Reply

  • MikeE,

    "Afterwards, Dakta Green from the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party walked through the crowd handing out free joints. There's nothing like old-fashioned campaigning, is there?"

    apart from the obvious MoDA issue, isn't that "treating"

    Kingsland • Since Nov 2006 • 138 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Short version from Philip's link:

    The 111 call was made by the appellant when he reported the deaths of his family members. On 30 January, the Court of Appeal dismissed the appellant’s appeal against the ruling as to admissibility. 3 Mr Bain has been granted leave to appeal further to this Court on the admissibility of part of the recording. The part of the recording to which objection is taken contains what the Crown says is an admission: “I shot the prick” or “I shot that prick”.

    But as he says, there's quite a lot else to read there.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17936 posts Report Reply

  • FletcherB,

    Any truth to the rumour (reported on TV1 Breakfast) that the sign-written vote-for me car of the "not a bitch from hell" was in a handi-capped parking spot outside the tavern...

    Is that a sad reflection of entitlement or a nasty smear from opponents? I guess we should we assume "pictures or it didnt happen"?

    West Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 782 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    apart from the obvious MoDA issue, isn't that "treating"

    He wasn't asking anyone to vote for him ... so perhaps I shouldn't have said "campaigning", even in jest.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17936 posts Report Reply

  • Karen White,

    We (luckily) made it to The Neighbourhood bar early -8ish? & it was already packed. Got a spot by the bar next to the blogger from The Standard. Loads of fun, although the catcalls, cheers & boos made a lot of the responses hard to hear.
    Will watch the link now to see what I missed!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 75 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    The edited tape of the 111 call played to the jury is here.

    The disputed transcript is here.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17936 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I can't hear anything at the point where the words are supposed to have been uttered,

    You're not listening hard enough. Just towards the end you can also hear where he hid Hoffa's body.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7315 posts Report Reply

  • Phil Lyth,

    treating

    It might be a problem if the Police actually took enforcement of the Electoral Act with any degree of seriousness.

    s217(2) says more or less (v. complex construction)

    Every person commits the offence of treating who corruptly (gives). . . any food, drink, entertainment, or provision . . .
    (b) for the purpose of procuring himself or herself to be elected;

    So there would be a number of things to be proven and any investigation would like as not end up in the too hard basket.

    I understand that there have been virtually no complaints of alleged treating in the last three general elections.

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 443 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Litterick,

    Juries, of course, are too stupid to understand this sort of thing, so the court makes sure they do not hear it and become hopelessly confused.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    You're not listening hard enough. Just towards the end you can also hear where he hid Hoffa's body.

    I changed the post upon releasing that the part in question was excised from what the jury heard.

    Which seems a little like tampering with evidence to me ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17936 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I suspect that the phone call is evidence that there was another person in the room while David was on the phone.

    This second person is the actual killer.

    Wait, is there a grassy knoll near the house? Oh, nevermind.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6145 posts Report Reply

  • Joshua Arbury,

    We (luckily) made it to The Neighbourhood bar early -8ish? & it was already packed. Got a spot by the bar next to the blogger from The Standard. Loads of fun, although the catcalls, cheers & boos made a lot of the responses hard to hear.

    LOL. That would have been me. Though it definitely wasn't MY pink laptop!

    Auckland • Since May 2009 • 216 posts Report Reply

  • Karen White,

    Though it definitely wasn't MY pink laptop!

    Sure it wasn't, Rochelle! Sorry - couldn't help myself, reading over your shoulder!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 75 posts Report Reply

  • FletcherB,

    Which seems a little like tampering with evidence to me ...

    Yes it does, but it's "court approved" tampering...

    West Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 782 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    ...where he hid Hoffa's body.

    Everyone knows where that is, it's in Shergar's stable. Right next to Lord Lucan.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4209 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    No one, said the security guys, was going in unless someone came out. And at 9pm, no one was coming out.

    Ha, I had one trying to remove me because obviously the joint must have been mine. Then Damian says "you missed out on your question" to which I could only offer "But I had to go wee". Still my dog got in later(it had cleared out by then) which is what I like about the neighbourood bar.
    My head still hurts,

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 5690 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I think the offence of "treating" was orginally applied to Tammany Hall type practices such as setting up outside the polling booth with a barrel of beer.

    A free cup of tea at a candidate meeting doesn't really amount to that.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4209 posts Report Reply

  • Glenn Pearce,

    I shot the prick

    The t-shirt screen printers will be doing overtime on that one...

    Auckland • Since Feb 2007 • 342 posts Report Reply

  • Joshua Arbury,

    Sure it wasn't, Rochelle! Sorry - couldn't help myself, reading over your shoulder

    It was Rochelle's laptop.

    I note that David Farrar didn't manage much of a live blog:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/mt_albert_backbenches.html

    Auckland • Since May 2009 • 216 posts Report Reply

  • Karen White,

    couldn't help myself, reading over your shoulder

    I'm just glad I wasn't standing next to Whaleoil - I might have felt compelled to tipped my beer over him - by accident of course :)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 75 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Graham,

    Which seems a little like tampering with evidence to me ...

    While I think it is usually a good idea for a jury to decide upon the relevance of various pieces of evidence. If they get exposed to interpretations, pareidolia can be extremely convincing.

    You can't ask a jury to hear things without preconceptions. That part of the brain is hardwired.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Luke Williamson,

    Is there a link to hear the unedited tape?

    Warkworth • Since Oct 2007 • 234 posts Report Reply

  • JackElder,

    I shot the prick

    Worst Bob Marley cover ever.

    Wellington • Since Mar 2008 • 707 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I shot the prick

    but I didn't shoot the testicles

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4209 posts Report Reply

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