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  • Russell Brown,

    Anybody else just plain irritated with that Auckland newspaper twice mispelling "formerly" today? Probably not (sigh: informally joins the ranks of curmudgeons...)

    If it helps, you were not the only one who sighed about that ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18839 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Interestingly, I found myself telling people at Locally Left tonight to stop obsessing about external conspiracies in the media. While there might be structural influences on the content, basically it's people who make it.

    It kind of helped when someone pointed out that Kiwiblog readers are convinced that the the Herald is a left-wing rag ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18839 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    We trust you, and would hate for you to have been used or manipulated to present an unbalanced view...
    Perhaps you need to publish verbatim Cook's version of events and any corroboration of information passed up the chain...

    Fair enough. From my perspective it was publishing something from a journalist I respect, to rebut some wild claims from a journalist whose work has actually hurt innocent people.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18839 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    It kind of helped when someone pointed out that Kiwiblog readers are convinced that the the Herald is a left-wing rag ...

    Kind of helps to spot the reassuring glow of a burning cross out there on the edge of the neighbourhood. Puts things in perspective.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 3465 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    While there might be structural influences on the content, basically it's people who make it.

    Yeah, I know. I don't blame journalists so much as the owners and the editors. And where there are bad journalists, that's largely the fault of the latter too, for employing them.

    The People's Republic of … • Since Nov 2006 • 2134 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I'm willing to forgive everything to the NZ newspaper business if they start running every day this picture (originally from this article). Then at least they will be like the proverbial clock that is right once a day.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7358 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Hey, you said weekly. Which I'll conclude includes dailies... and I should add John Roughan and Colin Espiner for politics in their dailies.

    John Roughan doesn't do politics, but a column that spins like an out of control merry-go-round between insightful and dumb as a bag of rubber hammers .

    but there's fine work in the NZ print media every week. You can't just dismiss the whole field.

    Fair enough, but here's the other side of the coin. I don't make a living being a media junkie anymore, so I don't have the time (or the money) to hope that, this time, the Sunday papers are finally going to have the crap-to-quality ratio at a level I can live with. Hell, I don't expect Watergate on every page but could I at least feel a little less "Hang The DJ" about it all...

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11931 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I'm willing to forgive everything to the NZ newspaper business if they start running every day this picture (originally from this article). Then at least they will be like the proverbial clock that is right once a day.

    That article leaves me speechless. It shouldn't, but it does.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18839 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Wain,

    John Roughan doesn't do politics, but a column that spins like an out of control merry-go-round between insightful and dumb as a bag of rubber hammers.

    Yeah I realised today it's John Armstrong I meant. Too many Johns!

    Though Roughan's one of those commentators I occasionally find myself agreeing with - far more than that cyclist hater Rudman. He just pees me off...

    So when did you make a living as a media junkie Craig? Honest interest ;-)

    Since Nov 2006 • 137 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    That article leaves me speechless. It shouldn't, but it does.

    Too bad they misspelt his name. The dearth of sub-editors strikes again.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7358 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    That article leaves me speechless. It shouldn't, but it does.

    I think it's that the attack is so blatantly unjustified - someone suddenly going off their nut over the kind of tragically routine comments that the Fire Service makes every week about house fires.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1557 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    That article leaves me speechless. It shouldn't, but it does.

    It really shouldn't -- when The Poundster was sitting in for you on Media 7, the one useful part of the otherwise painful interview with John Tamihere was his admission that he just says shit to get a reaction. I've got to wonder whether Laws believes even half the shit that comes out of his mouth, but it gets a reaction -- all that matters.

    So when did you make a living as a media junkie Craig? Honest interest ;-)

    Misbegotten youth as a hackette, and let's leave it there.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11931 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I've got to wonder whether Laws believes even half the shit that comes out of his mouth, but it gets a reaction -- all that matters.

    Whereas I think the writing of Kerre Woodham is designed to do just the opposite. She probably has lots of outrageous and offensive opinions that she keeps to herself.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7358 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    John Roughan doesn't do politics, but a column that spins like an out of control merry-go-round between insightful and dumb as a bag of rubber hammers.

    That's a perfect description of his column.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18839 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    On a street corner somewhere in the western world a young boy, adorned with flat cap and scarf, the soles of his shoes too thin to keep out the cold, shivers.
    In a sack, at his side, newspapers rest like sleeping messengers.
    "Extra Extra, read all about it, Person does something not considered ordinary"
    He waits, staring down at his chilled feet, resigned to the fact that nobody cares anymore.
    "Extra Extra, read all about it. Man says something about something"
    The damp creeps up his grey socks as his knees turn blue.
    He pulls out his trusty iPhone and glances at the screen.
    "Extra Extra, internet kills daily newspapers, go home and Google it"
    He trudges off into the grey fog that conceals the real world.

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4810 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Whereas I think the writing of Kerre Woodham is designed to do just the opposite. She probably has lots of outrageous and offensive opinions that she keeps to herself.

    She's nice, really. I know she's struggled in the past when she's had to fill in for some of the stranger hosts. Apparently Leighton Smith's listeners get quite angry if they feel they're not being told exactly what to think.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18839 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I never heard her on the radio, I know her only from her columns which I read sometimes when I wonder what it would be like to be in a vegetative coma. She writes nothing like nobody else I know.

    I'm sure that personally she's very nice.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7358 posts Report Reply

  • LegBreak,

    Whereas I think the writing of Kerre Woodham is designed to do just the opposite. She probably has lots of outrageous and offensive opinions that she keeps to herself

    .


    Remember when she was maitre d’ at whatever Hummingbird was called in the mid-90s?

    She was magnificent then; specialising in hilariously cutting put-downs aimed at young bankers out on the Credit Card.

    I’ve listened to her a bit on talkback, and while she’s good, I wish the old Kerre would come out.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    So, anyway, did David boy ever plan to drop by, or did he just tell his little story and leave? I feel kinda used.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7358 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed,

    I get the impression that Kerre Woodham has had to shoehorn herself outside a certain comfort zone, to fit her listeners' market.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4257 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    No one made you all read it

    I care not either way about the original blog, but as Giovanni pointed out, we read it because you posted it, and PA is that place we feel we can trust like that.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6165 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    Remember when she was maitre d’ at whatever Hummingbird was called in the mid-90s?

    She was magnificent then; specialising in hilariously cutting put-downs aimed at young bankers out on the Credit Card.

    Though not a banker with a flash credit card, I was on the wrong end of one her put downs once; I confess I both deserved and enjoyed it.

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2230 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    Fair enough. From my perspective it was publishing something from a journalist I respect, to rebut some wild claims from a journalist whose work has actually hurt innocent people.

    I understand that now but I didn't get that from reading the post itself, only from your comments afterwards. Which is why I prefaced my original criticism by saying it's hard to tell which of the protagonists is the fool and which is the fool's company.

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2230 posts Report Reply

  • LegBreak,

    Though not a banker with a flash credit card, I was on the wrong end of one her put downs once; I confess I both deserved and enjoyed it.

    Lucky bastard.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report Reply

  • Heather W.,

    I'm willing to forgive everything to the NZ newspaper business if they start running every day this picture (originally from this article). Then at least they will be like the proverbial clock that is right once a day.

    So what penalty can the BSA actually give? M Laws (okay Micael Lawhs) gave his statement this morning as ordered. He made a big deal about not offering an apology and he would see what BSA would do. On a quick look at the decision the BSA had not asked for an apology anyway, just a statement outlining the decision so the BSA probably can't do anything more with this particular complaint.

    North Shore • Since Nov 2008 • 187 posts Report Reply

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