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Hard News: 2014: The Meth Election

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  • James George,

    Yet here you all are again talking about the two dimensional media creation that is John Key instead of issues around the governance of the Key regime.
    This is what is happening up and down the country as the 'chooks' fall over themselves reporting on the creep's reaction to the revelations about his abrogation of NZ's security to the NSA, such as "How did it make you feel Prime Minister" instead of what the revelations actually mean for a small independent state's struggle to remain a democratic society immune to coercion from much larger outside forces.

    Since Sep 2007 • 95 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to James George,

    You really think we haven’t been discussing the substance of this? Several recent threads, many hundreds of comments, well over 100k pageviews. And informed discussion since before Snowden.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19661 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    "People got really wound up about me calling him Dotcom's little henchman. I would have a modicum of respect for the guy if he had the guts to turn up here six months before the election, or six months after. If this loser is going to come to town and try and tell me, five days before an election, staying at the Dotcom mansion with all the Dotcom people and being paid by Dotcom, that he's doing anything other than Dotcom's bidding - please don't insult me with that."

    Sorry John, we forgot it was your job to insult us. You know, saying things like..."The experts are just wrong" , "Laila Harre is a common prostitute" or "David Cunliffe is an idiot" and generally treating us like young whipersnappers with your oh so clever jokes and your bully boy antics. So yeah......., really sorry 'bout that, eh

    Apologies to Stewie Griffin....

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Angela Hart, in reply to nzlemming,

    I just wish some of those "journalists" Rawshark left his stash with had the balls to publish.

    yes, I hope he dispersed the material widely enough that it will be acted on. Can't understand the delay, unless there wasn't much left.

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Russell Brown,

    He’s really not stupid and he’s very good at weighing the odds.

    The contrast between that and the evasions and recitations he makes under pressure really is very striking.

    Yep. Gordon Cambpell on the 'two Keys' in charge of the GCSB - the Rt Hon 'can't remember, not quite sure' and the Mr super-onto it.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2087 posts Report Reply

  • Jake Starrow, in reply to Sacha,

    A handful of recent contributors bemoan the supposedly unfair amount of attention that Key receives from questioners. Specific suspicions such as patsy questions and a lack of hard follow-up questions etc all would have me believe Key is given a very soft ride.
    I suspect the potential veracity of these accusations is sadly sullied by the fact that John Key simply makes far more enticing readership appeal than Cunliffe. In short, Key has x-factor in spades and Cunliffe has none or very close to it. I realise I've strayed in territory where I can expect volleys from every direction questioning the fairness of it all and further evidence of what a corrupted media. But the bottom-line is that exposure given to Key attracts more interest than that given to Cunliffe. Unfair I accept, Irresponsible even? Maybe. But themselves the breaks. When I write about Sonny Bill Williams, I can be certain I will receive at least double the replies as to an article on Richie McCaw. And believe, it's nigh on impossible to ignore SBW just because it isn't fair.

    Since Sep 2014 • 77 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Toby Manhire has a piece in the Guardian called New Zealand PM deceiving public over spying claims, says Glenn Greenwald. There's a good quote from Greenwald on Key's style of leadership.

    "I've done reporting of surveillance all over the world and a lot of governments haven't liked what I've said, but I've never seen a head of government lose their dignity and get down in the mud and start chucking names to discredit the journalist in order to discredit the journalism."

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1366 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to Jake Starrow,

    Unfair I accept, Irresponsible even? Maybe.

    The insidious corruption of the media by the reality TV mindset, and the drive for page-views and click-thrus. So: unfair, irresponsible and unprofessional.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Jake Starrow,

    Unfair I accept, Irresponsible even? Maybe.

    No. Childish. With Key, Cunliffe, et al, we're not talking anything as simple and meaningless as the All Blacks, we're talking about how our country is run. Whether the All Blacks win or lose, or who gets to pull on the black jersey really does not make a blind bit of difference to anybody's lives but their (i.e. the All Blacks', just to get that clear) own. The All Blacks are nothing more than modern day gladiators - just as entertaining, just as distracting, and just as used to distract the masses from issues of real import, and just as expendable. We are perhaps a tad less brutal in the expending than the ancient Romans, but still... Rugby is as meaningful as stamp collecting - entertaining for many, lucrative for a very few, but utterly pointless.

    So please, from somebody who has not been allowed to vote since 1999 to somebody who apparently, and indeed, to all those who can vote on Saturday, try and think about something more important than who has this puerile "x-factor" when you take your ballot paper into the booth on Saturday. Because, you know, things like access to decent healthcare, education for our kids, and the economic well-being of all in our society are just a lot more important.

    And you can bet whatever you like that in 6 - 7 months time, when I've finally regained the fundamental rights of citizenship, I will be taking an active part in NZ's political life. With bells on (well, metaphorical bells, at least).

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    So has there been any sign from the journalists that Rawshark gave his last files to? There really does seem to be a whole story about Jason Ede that is gone completely missing.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4449 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    There really does seem to be a whole story about Jason Ede that is gone completely missing.

    Agreed. If we accept that Rawshark gave the remaining info to "journos", then we have to assume that somebody has probably decided to can it. I wonder exactly who is sitting on the rest of the whaledumps?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1366 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Alfie,

    Rawshark gave the remaining info to “journos”

    Wikileaks would have been better (but probably meant too much work redacting the personal stuff)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2087 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    If there is one thing I have learned from my mere 18 years on the internet, it is this: "you idiots are talking about the wrong thing" discussions don't tend to go very well.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Alfie,

    If we accept that Rawshark gave the remaining info to “journos”, then we have to assume that somebody has probably decided to can it. I wonder exactly who is sitting on the rest of the whaledumps?

    I sure as fuck hope that the journos with the remaining Whaledumps haven't gotten cold feet.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5414 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    No. Childish. With Key, Cunliffe, et al, we’re not talking anything as simple and meaningless as the All Blacks, we’re talking about how our country is run.

    I try to remember that these people can send us to war.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,

    Meanwhile, in Christchurch......, according to APNZ's Kurt Bayer.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Jake Starrow,

    sadly sullied by the fact that John Key simply makes far more enticing readership appeal than Cunliffe.

    Ha a ha ha ha ha ha ….. Have you read his book? Didn’t sell anywhere near as many copies as Hager’s and I think that says something, not sure what but I am sure you will tell me it proves Key is more, shall we say, enticing. Call me old fashioned but that sounds a little bit too late night gay bar for my liking.
    Cunliffe, on the other hand is a serious politician, not a glamour queen.
    (I just know I am going to get shit for that, whatever)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • st ephen, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    I thought the point was that Hager's book used all the "political" material obtained from Slater's computer, and he chose not to use personal stuff that wasn't strictly relevant. I don't understand why people think the Whaledump material passed on to journos is going to provide the basis for new stories. Doesn't it simply confirm that the email/chat discussions referred to in the book did take place?

    dunedin • Since Jul 2008 • 254 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Jake Starrow,

    When I write about Sonny Bill Williams, I can be certain I will receive at least double the replies as to an article on Richie McCaw.


    I can see why, this guy has heaps on that performing parrot Richie the Macaw.

    Oh, didn’t I read your post properly?
    Sorry, did I miss anything important?
    Anyhoo, time to put the popcorn on for the Dotcom show, can’t wait…

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Jake Starrow,

    there are more than two parties in the election, even for media determined to report on personalities rather than other factors like policy or coalition prospects.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19661 posts Report Reply

  • CJM, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Brilliant!

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to st ephen,

    Hager mentioned other non-personal material he had seen but left with Rawshark for other journos to get. This included the Hotchin material. It seems unlikely that there wouldn't be other angles and more detail than Hager could fit in his book.

    As mentioned previously, our craven media seem cowed into submission by the prospect of influencing the ongoing legal action against them paid for by someone sympathetic to the interests of the govt and/or Slater.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19661 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Angela Hart,

    yes, I hope he dispersed the material widely enough that it will be acted on. Can’t understand the delay, unless there wasn’t much left.

    Slater's court action is probably the ostensible reason.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2929 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Alfie,

    I wonder exactly who is sitting on the rest of the whaledumps?

    the media outlets being sued in Slater's name, that's who.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19661 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    There really does seem to be a whole story about Jason Ede that is gone completely missing.

    Just like Ede himself ;-)

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2929 posts Report Reply

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