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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • Craig Ranapia,

    @David Hood:

    Fair counter-read there, but to paraphrase Chris Rock I'm disinclined to give people cookies for doing shit people should just do as a matter of course without asking for a pat on the head.

    @Tom Semmens:

    Golly, we're agreeing on something. Stop it before the internet implodes. :) But you're right, and I guess I've got to be fair too -- not entirely reasonable for me to expect anyone in the media to run the bullshit detector over a book largely based on the correspondence of someone whose relationship with facts is... not exactly intimate at the best of times. Hager and Slater might be positively gleeful about the prospect of being sued for defamation (all publicity is good publicity as long as they get your name right?) but I can understand other media outlets being more cautious.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • The Ruminator,

    Remember a while back when Key came out and said he was in regular contact with Cam? Do you think that was coz he heard Hager was writing this book?

    Since Apr 2013 • 54 posts Report Reply

  • pohutukawa tree, in reply to William Leander,

    The "knowing" part of this could be easily circumvented by using a simple script to traipse around keeping publicly-available data.

    Thats what Google does. COULD GOOGLE BE HACKING EVERYBODY?

    Since Jul 2014 • 11 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George, in reply to The Ruminator,

    The only person I've seen who seems to have had revealed prior knowledge of the book is Martyn Bradbury.

    http://www.geoffreymiller.info/2014/08/hagerbook-how-did-martyn-bradbury-know-what-was-in-dirty-politics/

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • The Ruminator, in reply to Pete George,

    Ummm that isn't actually in the least bit convincing. It's absurd.

    Since Apr 2013 • 54 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to The Ruminator,

    The Fishwife Party?

    he was in regular contact with Cam?

    Yeah, didn't he say 'he heard a lot of gossip'...

    Facts he's not so good with...

    (With apologies to fishwives in general)

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7892 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Andre Alessi,

    Stuff only has one article visible, in the rather neglected politics section.

    Slater denies claims”, as of typing this, is the top-page story on Stuff. And the Granny.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5420 posts Report Reply

  • cindy baxter, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    "Slater deniers claims"

    gosh, really? Utterly surprising. On Radio Live, Collins accuses Hager of "using stolen emails for financial gain." More shrugging off. Admits very good friends with Slater.

    auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 99 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,

    John Armstrong (my emphasis):

    [......] as Key did on Tuesday - by describing him as a "screaming left-wing conspiracy theorist". The left-wing bit is correct. But no one has ever produced the evidence to question the veracity of the content of Hager's books.

    In short, Hager is credible. It is thus Key's credibility against Hager's.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    In short, Hager is credible.
    It is thus Key’s credibility against Hager’s.

    ’twas ever thus…

    [edit] No contest.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7892 posts Report Reply

  • SHG, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    But no one has ever produced the evidence to question the veracity of the content of Hager's books.

    I seem to recall Michael Bassett claiming that emails attributed to him in THM were fabrications.

    nup • Since Oct 2010 • 77 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    What next, Kim Dot Com's upcoming ' the real John Key in pajamas' ...

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4327 posts Report Reply

  • James George, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Jeez you really are a whacker aren't you.

    Since Sep 2007 • 96 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    Just a question, I guess it should be somewhere in the public domain but what is Jason Ede's salary? Or in other words what are we paying this man and why exactly should a taxpayer pay him?

    Also it so happens we are currently up to episode 22 of House of Cards at home ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4451 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It says Collins got a prisoner transferred at Slater’s request, among other things.

    Now that's interesting ! That puts everything for sale. But we knew that right?

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • James George,

    As a non-aligned citizen who has long been disturbed by abuse of our democratic process by deliberate gerrymandering to gain seats by abuse of proportionality through so called overhang, the bit that needs to be dealt with judicially is the farce that national and Act are separate political parties.
    It was bad enough when Brash was moved into ACT straight from the national party, but if that was effected by national party officials and enablers pressuring Rodney Hide by blackmail then claiming that act and national are two separate entities is insupportable.
    In that case whoever 'wins' epsom should be considered part of the national share of the party vote in terms of proportionality.
    Considered retrospectively that would make every decision of the current government that only had a majority of one, as being not actually legal. Altho of course if the constitutionality of a bill is dependant on the GG's assent rather than a house majority, the whole shebang would end up feeding grubby briefs for decades.

    I would be content with an electoral commission result which determined the two parties were one and the same this time around.

    Since Sep 2007 • 96 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Is it true that Hager might be forced to reveal his source, because it's a book not news?

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4327 posts Report Reply

  • william blake, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    'Also it so happens we are currently up to episode 22 of House of Cards at home …'

    coincidentally Bill English has just made an arrangement to release more emails to Nicky at Paraparaumu railway station....

    Since Mar 2010 • 379 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    while we are on the topic of Whaleoil's cash for copy, perhaps during one of his phone hook-ups someone in the media ought to also ask Cameron Slater if he writes all of his sycophantically pro-Israeli posts on Whaleoil, is he getting paid for them by the Israeli government, why exactly is he going to Israel, and who is paying for his trip there?

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2213 posts Report Reply

  • Dylan Reeve, in reply to steven crawford,

    Is it true that Hager might be forced to reveal his source, because it’s a book not news?

    Well in the case of Fisher's Dotcom book it was rule that journalistic protection didn't apply because it was a book, so potentially.

    But if I understand it correctly Hager claims not to know the source - that the information arrived anonymously in the post on a USB flash drive. That's a pretty solid dead end for anyone trying to force information from him.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2008 • 311 posts Report Reply

  • llew40, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    Am a wee bit surprised that Herald didnt go bigger. They are no friend of Slater.

    Agree with much of the sentiment being expressed here. Anyone who doesnt believe that political leaking goes on across the spectrum is being wilfully naive.

    But some of the claims being made in this book do appear to be a step or three well beyond your bog-standard 'leaking' in all its sordid glory. And therefore worthy of greater scrutiny, not only in these specific instances but as to whether or not these practices are now a common part of the arsenal of political warfare.

    Sadly, I am - in the absence of any proof otherwise - sceptical that this is uncommon.

    Since Nov 2012 • 140 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to James George,

    {Redacted for foolishly feeding a troll}

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • James George, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    pot=kettle=black!
    All through this thread you have been using irrational arguments to divert attention away from the issues. You have resorting to emotion when others are trying to be rational and objective, imo that is the action of a whacker.
    I called you out for it you called me troll. I just don't know how I'll get over being reduced to a cliche popular sometime last century but I guess I shall.
    Keep it up. Yer only shooting yerself in the foot with yer continual asinine and obviously partisan posts. So by all means keep at it.

    It is true I don't spend much time in here, I have nothing but contempt for dung beetles of any persuasion who lurk about the base of the beehive trough but occasionally something so egregious pops up that I feel a need to vent.

    As in the evidence that this government has wilfully and continuously distorted the truth about everything they touch, solely for personal gain. There doesn't appear to be an ounce of public spiritedness about any of them and you are an apologist for these people.
    If that is 'being a troll' /cliché then I will happily wear the handle but it sure beats living on a website where mostly there is little said of merit & the biggest danger is slipping on the oil of false bonhomie thereby dislocating a forked tongue.

    Since Sep 2007 • 96 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Sorry James George but you're heading off on tangents. Let it go please.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1387 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    I see that Cameron Slater is threatening to lay a police complaint about the hacking of his site. He also claims "insiders in Anonymous - a hacking group - had told him others in the group were gloating about how the hack was done "at Dotcom's behest"."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11308458

    The suggestion that Anonymous would degrade their reputation by associating with someone like Slater is laughable.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1387 posts Report Reply

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