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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • simon g,

    Monday morning should be the real test of (broadcast) media indifference, interest or just basic competence. Key does the rounds, and while you can write Hosking's script already, some of the PM's other interviewers might make an effort. Last week they had the excuse of not having had time to read it - that's gone.

    If just one of them could penetrate his breakfast honey-waffle with a simple question: ("Hang on, what does that actually mean? Specifically?"), that would be a start.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1324 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover,

    Interestingly, it appears that a vast proportion of WhaleOil readers use Macs and surf in from... outer space?

    Or else they're bots, gaming his stats much as Danyl predicted several days ago.

    Wonder it this'll have any impact on his tobacco/alcohol/whatever industry backing...

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    Looking for examples/quotes from Mr Slater or the BlubberyhBlog that are especially egregious. There’s the Greymouth headline, and the Chch quake quote- anything else especially stick out?
    Asking for a friend :)

    The whole book makes me feel nauseous - and I thought I was quite tough in political and journalistic terms.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2896 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Russell Brown,

    This week’s Media Take (and a post I’ll write on Tuesday) will be in part about the responses of other journalists and broadcasters – which have by no means all been bad. The pissed-off younger Gallery members who quizzed Key in this extraordinary 20-minute standup were righteous.

    But some older media people dismissing the whole book – including evidence that sitting Ntional MPs paid Lusk and Slater to destroy their opponents in selection contests – just really need to take a good, hard look at themselves.

    Every word.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2896 posts Report Reply

  • tussock,

    Interesting that Slater says he did the Ports of Auckland work in the hope they'd be able to claim payment after the fact, and never got it. Thus the stories dying off at a certain point.

    I wonder if it works the same for most of his income. Attack the opponents of big companies and hope they pay up when your stories end up in the Herald or on the 6pm news, then stick with the ones that pay and abandon the ones that don't.

    Then the only people who do pay are old National party folk, like at the Food and Grocery Council. Interesting business model, shows it always helps to know the right people.

    Since Nov 2006 • 609 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Steve Parks,

    - “Particularly since she emphasised the word ‘allegedly’ umpteens of times.”

    I took that as making a self-aware kind of joke about the whole having to say “allegedly” thing.

    I’m really going to regret asking this, but what’s wrong about qualifying claims like Rodney Hide sent sexually explicit texts to a young woman?

    I don’t want to get in the way of a good right wing media conspiracy theory, but it seems Hager frequently (and legally, perfectly sensibly) qualified a lot of claims in the book more heavily than they’ve been reported. I’ll defer to PASers with more legal expertise, but I have my doubts “I’m just quoting Whaleoil!” is a particularly strong defense for defamation.

    But what’s new – or surprising – about that? As I’ve been banging on about for years, some alleged editors really need a refresher course on the non-trivial difference between an allegation, a criminal charge, and a conviction in a court of law following due process; let alone that no media outlet is a judicial body. I’ve given up on trying to convince the media that correlation (if it even exists) does not imply causation.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to SteveH,

    Primate of the Month…

    Key is very clever to avoid looking at the book.

    Well, he is the Minister for Listening To Gossip – but as Minister for Intelligence/Security Services/FiveEyes (or whatever that is called nowadays) how can he wilfully (and responsibly) continue to go on with his “I can’t hear you, I won’t read it, but I am prepared to comment vociferously” stance.

    He is more than slippery than those 3 monkeys clutching at various orifices
    - see no, and hear no contrary view, but he speaks whatever comes into his head…

    He is a diseased silverback engaged in a truly ugly ‘gorilla war’…
    And all he’s got for ammunition is his own sh*t!
    Tosser….

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7896 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    Has anyone asked the PM whether he thinks attack politics are a bad thing?

    Guyon v Prime Minister, just now on NatRad: You'd think someone in the media was reading this.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Credit to Guyon Espiner for doing his job on Morning Report.

    Key was reciting his prepared non-responses ("at the end of the day, rugby!" ...) and for once they weren't allowed to pass. He slipped in the Keith Ng = Cameron Slater comparison again, just for good measure (implied, not named). Yuk.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1324 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2609 posts Report Reply

  • william blake,

    Key just being on Morning Report says, spinning out of controll.

    Since Mar 2010 • 379 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    It probably won't generate as many headlines as the Collins story, but one of the jaw-droppers from the Espiner/Key interview was the PM (Minister for SIS) revealing/claiming that he doesn't trouble himself - his 'desk" - with OIA requests about the SIS. How very Ronald Reagan.

    Perhaps his staff just get out the signature machine used for birthday cards and the like.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1324 posts Report Reply

  • Bevan Shortridge,

    Guy Espiner’s RNZ Morning Report interview with John Key At The End of the Day

    [edit - removed a random ’t’]

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 122 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Espiner was furious about something!

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2213 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    Laila Harre's observation that Judith Collins was Minister for the Electoral Commission was thrillingly chilling.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 580 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Bevan Shortridge,

    Darkness falls upon the land...

    John Key At The End of the Day

    I'm looking forward to beyond the end
    ... 'The Remains of the Day'

    When Key finally learns about Dignity & Greatness (and that he doesn't have it), then he will then have to traverse loss and regret - while keeping up the inane banter...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7896 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    one of the jaw-droppers from the Espiner/Key interview was the PM (Minister for SIS) revealing/claiming that he doesn’t trouble himself – his ’desk” – with OIA requests about the SIS.

    Key has nothing but contempt for the habits and minutae of democratic governance. How many more examples do we need to conclude he sees running a country as simply a promotion from managing a trading floor, where the values of the Wolves of Wall Street prevail?

    From the tone of Espiner's interview I would guess Espiner has read the book over the weekend. Like Danyl, Russell Brown, and Andrew Geddis he sounds like he was disgusted by what he read. Key's blithe dissembling clearly outraged him.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2213 posts Report Reply

  • Dismal Soyanz, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    But to be fair, Key is blithe about everything.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2010 • 310 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    It was satisfying to hear a proper grilling....

    06:58
    Guyon Espiner: "The Justice Minister of New Zealand has conceded publically that she did pass on the name of a public servant, That resulted in him getting some pretty severe death threats. And you think that's OK?"
    Prime Minister John Key: "And people can see that..."
    Espiner: "Is it OK?"
    Key: "And people can see..."
    Espiner: "Yes or no, is it OK?"
    Key: "And people can see that this is..."
    Espiner: "Is it OK?"
    Key: "And people can see..."
    Espiner: "Is it OK that Judith Collins did that, yes or no?"
    Key: "And people can see that this is a smear campaign by Nicky Hager and by...[inaudible]"
    Espiner: "I'm not asking you for a critique about Nicky Hager's motivations, I'm asking you that about something that is publically in the arena, Judith Collins has said 'I passed on the name of this public servant,' and we know what happened after that. I'm asking you a simple question, was that appropriate, yes or no?"
    Key: "It isn't totally relevant, because at the end of the day, I don't know all the context of what happened there and all those situations..."
    Espiner: "You know the context here Prime Minister, please answer the question. Was it appropriate for your Justice Minister to pass on the name of a public servant doing his job, who was then severely sanctioned on a website?"
    Key: "I don't know all the details behind all of that, but what I do know is that this is a series of selective pieces of information, many of which can't be backed up. I know that this was..."
    Espiner: "I'm asking you about one of them."
    Key: "Yeah, well, I'm not going to go into your individual ones because in the end this is a smear campaign, which I gotta say, started the week with people out there...
    Espiner: "No, you're not going to talk about burning effigies etc., because it has nothing to do with this."
    Key: "Well, it does actually..."
    Espiner: "No...I'm talking about..."
    Key: "Well it might have something to do with it..."
    Espiner: "No."
    Key: "...because at the end of the day..."
    Espiner: "No, this is about the behaviour of your Justice Minister. Do you stand by her today?
    Key: "Yeah, I stand by her," ...[stopped transcription 08: 35].

    Of course, that's not the whole of that section of questioning, but I count that as seven times Espiner asked the same question, which Key refused to answer.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 580 posts Report Reply

  • cindy baxter,

    Undercover cop Rob Gilchrist on how Hager discovered him and how Hager always gets it right:

    "You see, Mr Hager is very good at what he does. He is not just a journalist who working to a deadline just makes stuff up to add to the word count. He researches the hell out of the subjects in his articles and books. He talks to the right people, asks the right questions and goes over every little detail he has available to him with a nit comb."

    http://thestandard.org.nz/rob-gilchrist-on-nicky-hager/

    auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 99 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover,

    2008 is a long time ago and I'd been struggling, but thank god for Branko Marcetic whose memory is clearly better than mine: When John Key was concerned about dirty politics

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Brodie Davis,

    Hasn’t Slater inadvertantly admitted that all the content is real with his claims that dotcom hacked him to get the emails?

    Keys saying its all false/out of context. Slater is just going full guns at who he thinks is responsible, and ignoring/unaware that it pretty much confirms everything as being true.

    Since Aug 2008 • 54 posts Report Reply

  • ChrisW, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Darkness falls upon the land...
    John Key At The End of the Day
    I'm looking forward to beyond the end ...
    'The Remains of the Day'

    (Perhaps prematurely, but) I’m looking forward beyond all that
    to the new dawn to follow !:-)

    Gisborne • Since Apr 2009 • 851 posts Report Reply

  • Luke Williamson,

    God it was good to hear Guy Espiner scold him like that. Finally, someone who doesn't just let him wander off into analogies with the All Blacks. It makes you realise just how weakly tested John is by the mainstream media most of the time.

    Warkworth • Since Oct 2007 • 297 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Matthew Backhouse makes page 1 in the Herald. Thanks to RNZ. Is Ede the fall guy that Nactional are throwing under the bus?
    Plus this may be an old link. You'll are too fast !

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

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