Hard News: Dirty Politics
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Lucy Telfar Barnard, in reply to
Greenwald’s interview indicates that we do indeed target other countries at our partners’ “request”, particularly countries where the US feels unable to penetrate, because of diplomatic troubles.
But there's a difference between targetting countries outside of 5 eyes at a partner's request (which one would expect to be part of any shared collection arrangement), and targetting a 5 eyes country at that country's request because it can't legally target itself.
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I'm reminded of the film "The Falcon and the Snowman", a true story about a CIA signals analyst (basically what Snowden was) who was so disgusted by watching the CIA's involvement is the take down of the Whitlam government that he started passing secrets to the other side.
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I wonder if Key and the GCSB were so focused on trying to figure out which documents Snowden had on them they completely forgot to see what it was the NSA was paying him to do in Hawaii?
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Key is a dangerous loose cannon, now he proposes to release classified information, purely for his own ends - as if his reputation was something worth attempting to save...
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mark taslov, in reply to
dangerous loose cannon
You’ve gotta admit though, having our Minister of Tourism use a nationwide radio station to broadcast that one of our American visitors is “a loser” just 3 days into his New Zealand trip totally is one hell of an innovative marketing strategy for our country. #outthere
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Placing the billboard under trees and shrubs gives you a whole new view...
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Swedish right wing PM has conceded defeat against centre left coalition. Interesting re NZ too - neither bloc gets to 50%. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29195683
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Apparently the PM’s story has shifted again this morning (yet his faithful defenders at the Harold descibe that fact as an accusation).
Mr Key has said the GCSB was working on a business study for a form of “mass cyber protection” following cyber attacks on several large New Zealand companies. Mr Key had told them it was too broad a net. However, this morning he indicated it had gone ahead on a limited capacity.
“I said I think it’s too broad .. so in the end I said let’s set it at a much more narrow level.”
He denied that was mass surveillance.
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CJM, in reply to
Yes, he's not akshully changing his story daily, as Greenwald notes, but hourly!
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Rob Stowell, in reply to
Only a couple more shades of grey and black will be white.
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And now we have Key fat shaming Dotcom http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10498374/Its-a-sound-and-light-show-Key
Seriously is this the PM we paid for? I’d almost accept that his political policies are abhorrent to me if he behaved with a modicum of decency.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
And now we have Key fat shaming Dotcom http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10498374/Its-a-sound-and-light-show-Key Seriously is this the PM we paid for?
Hey if Hager is "A left wing conspirator, Greenwald is a loser, of course he will try to denigrate the one person that would seem to be finding out more truths about this Key National Party, the truth that Dotcom is fighting for is coming to light according to what Patrice Dougan is revealing in the Harold
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CJM, in reply to
No. This is where we are. The sporting analogy is perfect because it's the level Key wants it all to be at. Russell has recently posted that Key isn't 'stupid'. No, he's not stupid, you could say he's smart, he was trained in corporate bullshit and it's stuck. It has worked for him.
But he doesn't read. Doesn't show any interest in film or music. Doubtful he buys art except for possible investment. Can't speak of his poetry. Maybe he throws a steak on the grill now and then. Can't knit to save his life. Maybe he has some tropical fish?
Nah. It's golf. And hanging out with jocks, one of the lads in the changing rooms, dirty jokes, sweaty kits, but he prefers to be the bod in the sports jacket who gets to share the glory. He likes golf, worrying about his weight, staying off the booze..erm…did we mention golf?
Yeah, he's busy, right? I mean he's doing like 100 hours a week. But none of that time involves looking over OIA requests, you know ,'office' stuff. He has to walk it like he talks it so he does. Walk and talk. Talk and walk.
What goes on in that rapidly greying head? Who the fuck would know. Quite a few dreams about being caught out in public completely naked maybe? How great and shiny Dan Carter is? How does Obama do that cool off-the-cuff talking thing? Hunting down big german geezers from the back of a 4WD?
It's the void. De void, stoopid. He's the blank, fill him in. Ye spinners of the beehive, fill him in. Ye true-blue keepers of the flame, fill him in. Ye dead-eyed stepford wives and smart-in-suits telly 'personalities', fill him in. Ye foreign dignitaries jet-lagged and legless, fill him in. Ye malcontented fat-cetacean misfits glued to the cheap office chairs with leaking pizza cheese and thwarted desires, explode your spleens, spew your bile, fill him in.
Here comes saturday, a brand new colouring book. Everyone's invited, free coloured pencils. Here's your chance. Fill him in.
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CJM, if there's such a thing as a standing ovation in the online world, you've just got one from me.
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If you haven't read Steven Price's latest column, you really should.
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The email being "released" tonight is now available in screenshot format. Its pretty amusing. (could also be horribly fake, and just a screenshot of notepad or something).
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
He's the blank, fill him in.
Just don't fill him in with facts. Facts are inconvenient. Such a "good guy", smeared by the facts time and time again.
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Sacha, in reply to
source?
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CJM, in reply to
Breaking news on the Herald as we speak. If it’s true…well, fuckedy bye bye, John.
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Brodie Davis, in reply to
My soure was the something awful forums NZ poltics thread, but they likly got it via reddit, but it is on the nzherald right now.
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
If it’s true…
I think all parties could probably sustain a denial for the necessary few days, even if it was true. Key's credibility is crumbling but not with the low-information electorate.
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Alfie, in reply to
Here's the Herald story.
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link to David Fisher in Harold. Now Warners say fake as expected. Soon to be followed by PM orifice to be sur.
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Here's PM Key's response to being asked about the email (quoted from the Fisher Herald article):
"I do not believe that to be correct, I have no recollection of the conversation that's alluded to in that email.
"There are no records there and the meetings that I had were with other people around me, so in the end, we're going to get to the bottom of it but we don't have any record of it."
Hmmm the old 'there's no record so it didn't happen' defence. Isn't that the defence used by former cabinet Minister Collins?
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