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Hard News: Media Take: The selling of the campaign

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  • Glenn Jameson,

    Russel Brown, by letting these exhaustive personal attacks go on without moderation, you're effectively endorsing them. I wouldn't have dipped in here if I knew your pool was as shallow as this.

    Kumura, you're a coward. At least Dalziel trolled in the daylight.

    Since Sep 2017 • 18 posts Report Reply

  • william blake,

    Glen stop your whining.

    Since Mar 2010 • 351 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Glenn Jameson,

    Russel Brown, by letting these exhaustive personal attacks go on without moderation, you’re effectively endorsing them. I wouldn’t have dipped in here if I knew your pool was as shallow as this.

    You came in the the discussion without declaring a direct personal interest, which seems a bit disingenuous. It's a robust debate. You're feeling unduly sorry for yourself.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22227 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Glenn Jameson,

    Not sure how you arrived at a “eugenicist vibe” on the Runners ad, when a third of the team featured a Maori family.

    Oh, I don't know – maybe the part about the sick and weakly being left in the dirt while Team Teal thunders by. Even if the victors hadn't been wearing the same colours as the authoritarians in The Handmaid's Tale it would have been creepy.

    And no, you don't get to claim that the unfortunates are only disabled by being roped to each other. Remember, we've all seen the casting call.

    Apart from a anything else, it was woeful MMP politics, given that your client is now absolutely desperate to lash itself to one of those weaklings.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22227 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Glenn Jameson,

    Details of Labour’s taxes may be found on their website [euphemistic quotes mine]:

    Nice work not pointing to your actual citations.

    Alcohol, *Petrol* and Tobacco “Levies”

    What it actually says on the page called Labour’s tax plan is: "Alcohol, Petrol and Tobacco Levies – will be adjusted as per normal government practice and as set out in Budget documents."

    That you think this supports your argument and the claims in the ad is quite telling.

    Clean Water “Royalty”

    I actually thought the way this was presented, as per Steven Price’s post, was the kind of breach the ASA would take a very dim view of in other settings. Depicting a levy on commercial bottled water by not showing a bottle? Seriously? It’s misleading.

    Restore the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS)

    Which isn’t a tax.

    Commission a Tax Working Group to “review” a whole pile of new taxes including CGT and Land Tax, which everyone knows is unlikely to come back with a “Meh, don’t need it.”

    Really? You appear to have forgotten National’s tax working group, which declared the status quo in the tax system “not viable” back in 2009 – and was really quite keen on a broad-based land tax (which it felt had a number of advantages over a CGT).

    I think there’s little doubt any serious working group would go to the same place, because the tax system is unbalanced. Your argument here is just nihilism.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22227 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Glenn Jameson,

    I bathe in a golden halo of excited photons!

    At least Dalziel trolled in the daylight

    Well, thanks for that - but I'd call it 'creating context' rather than 'trolling'.
    I like to know what's going on in the shadows, and with people who joyfully prop up a regime that can only gain traction by lying, disinforming or dissembling....

    Case in point - this self serving piece*:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/28-09-2017/inside-the-campaigns-how-national-took-the-migrant-and-rural-vote/
    and this analysis of the actual figures:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97283075/election-shows-ruralurban-divide-shrinking-not-growing

    *written by the PR Partner of Chris Bishop - who is himself yet another Big Tobacco acolyte - like Todd Barclay - who has passed through the revolving door of service in Gerry Brownlee's office and overseas corporate death peddlers.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7480 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    *written by the PR Partner of Chris Bishop – who is himself yet another Big Tobacco acolyte – like Todd Barclay – who has passed through the revolving door of service in Gerry Brownlee’s office and overseas corporate death peddlers.

    I actually have quite a bit of time for Chris Bishop, who deserved to take his electorate – and was the subject of some shitty campaigning himself, in the repeated sniping implying he was somehow less fit a candidate because he doesn't have children. (Trevor Mallard being an embarrassment again, basically.)

    But Jenna Raeburn's presentation as some sort of commentator when she was literally part of the National campaign has been absurd.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22227 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Trevor Mallard being an embarrassment again, basically.

    - 'Jibber-Jabber' in the Hutt...?
    "You weak minded fool! He’s using an old Jedi mind trick."

    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7480 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Guyon Espiner does quite well in the distorting reality stakes as well.
    This morning I hear him talking about the special votes maybe giving Labour and the Greens 'more legitimacy' - I don't think legitimacy is a 'scaled beast', something either is, or isn't, legitimate - and 61 seats is as legitimate as 63 seats - there is no uncertainty principle in play, despite how much National loves boxing on with 'dead cats' and 'Pretty legal' song usage...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7480 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    and this analysis of the actual figures:

    Chris McDowall's infographic of booth data is extremely interesting. (Also: beautifully and very quickly executed. The man's a marvel.)

    After we talked about it on Twitter he gave me a little peek at a follow-up in the works which shows the swing at every booth in the country. It's extremely illuminating.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22227 posts Report Reply

  • mpledger,

    Glenn Jameson, said:
    >>> Mr Pledger...

    mpledger said:
    >>... my correct appellation is Dr in the professional setting and Mrs in
    >> the public. But then I am not surprised you got it wrong.

    Glenn Jameson, said:
    > Dr Mpledger, you'd do well to check your own hysterical umbrage.
    > Expecting someone to deduce you're a woman without displaying
    > a first name, with an avatar of Mr Potatohead, is most
    > unreasonable.
    >
    > Perhaps you should reread what Hillary wrote. She interpreted the team
    > in the five-legged race as "disabled" and the half-ethnic running team
    > in blue running past them as "an obvious representation of Social
    > Darwinism." Calling that hysterical umbrage isn't ad hominem;
    > it's prima facie! :)

    It's a full ethnic running team. Or do you believe only people other then European NZers have ethnicity?

    And I am purposefully ambiguous about my gender identity so that I don't have to deal with the misogyny (as witnessed in your posts) that comes out when I (or others) identify as female.

    And I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a person posting might be female - females, after all, are the largest population group.

    Hillary has made a study of eugenics in NZ as well as disability and disability policy. If she can spot that propaganda echoing across time in your ad then I would say she knows what she's talking about.

    Whereas you seem totally oblivious to the "othering" you dish out towards people who aren't like you. It's no wonder you don't get it.

    (As this isn't a professional setting you can refer to me as Mrs.)

    Since Oct 2012 • 81 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Chris McDowall’s infographic of booth data is extremely interesting.

    Thanks for the link. Particularly interesting to look at the booths on the various uni campuses.

    Palmerston North • Since Sep 2014 • 760 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Glenn Jameson,

    your pool was as shallow

    Thats the mirage effect at work. Sunlight glistening on those tranquil waters gives the illusion, to shills, they can just swan dive in and the waters will part gracefully.

    Just like National thinks it can shit all over anyone, but their shit doesnt give off an odour so no one will know they are under a faecal downpour.
    Wrong again.
    And for you on a positive note. Your ego is already in recovery mode, your bleating gives that away.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1658 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to simon g,

    Please don't ban him. Keep providing the rope. It's going to be a slow news week in politics, so it might well interest some in the media to know that National's lying (sorry, masterful) ad campaign came from the furthest reaches of far right.

    Calling a woman hysterical is effectively telling her to get a hysterectomy in order for her to be able to argue like a man. Instant witch trial. A few years ago someone was given the arse here for calling a female contributor a shrew. Perhaps if he'd had something newsworthy to brag about he'd have lasted longer.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4525 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Glenn Jameson,

    Glenn, I think you may have missed this comment by linger, earlier in the thread:

    no, as written, the National tax cut law expires automatically. National would have to act to extend it. Labour wouldn’t have to do a thing to remove it.

    Did you get it wrong?

    Palmerston North • Since Sep 2014 • 760 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace, in reply to mpledger,

    Thank you Mrs Pledger. I should no longer be surprised at the lack of self-reflection or understanding of those not like them, by many on the political right. Eugenics is about the 'fit' and the 'unfit'. It is also about power and oppression and who gets to hand out those labels and who gets given them. That runners ad is such a good visual representation of these assumptions.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3110 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Hutt South was a hard seat for Labour to win after the latest boundary changes. Ginny Andersen ran a great campaign and she could win it next time. I heard different things to you about what was happening on the ground. So I was not surprised that the hijacker of the Hutt Chamber of Commerce's Twitter account, which supported Chris Bishop and attacked Jacinda, turned out to be friend of his.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3110 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    That runners ad is such a good visual representation of these assumptions.

    And in addition to the points made, I thought it reflected how stale/bereft of new ideas the National party had become. It looked to me to be a low budget, poorly executed re-hash of the 2014 rowers ad.

    Mirrored as well in BE election night speech with its repeated, repeated, repeated reference to 'strong and stable' government. Funnily enough on Backbenches they started the post-election episode telling the National guy he wasn't allowed to use that mantra - and blow me down... he couldn't think to save himself! That was the only thing he could come up with when asked what kind of New Zealand he wanted.

    Their entire caucus seem to be a collection of Steven Joyce clones.

    Palmerston North • Since Sep 2014 • 760 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    Mirrored as well in BE election night speech with its repeated, repeated, repeated reference to 'strong and stable' government.

    Which itself was a carbon copy of Theresa May's post-Brexit snap election remarks. Whenever I hear "strong & stable", it comes out as, "arrogant & uninspired".

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5328 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Glenn Jameson,

    Russel Brown, by letting these exhaustive personal attacks go on without moderation, you're effectively endorsing them. I wouldn't have dipped in here if I knew your pool was as shallow as this.

    Kumura, you're a coward. At least Dalziel trolled in the daylight.

    Someone's a bit triggered. And it's certainly not us PAS regulars.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5328 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    To be fair, I was assuming Steven Price had that correct. GJ seems to think either that the ad referred to some other act, or that the act should be interpreted differently than by that lawyer. This would be the easiest thing for GJ to provide evidence on, by linking directly to the publicly-available text of the relevant act, if it supports GJ's interpretation.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1751 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    In some ways it's nice to be reminded that those here are indeed a good group of human beings. The contrast is obvious.

    When someone comes in and displays a lack of empathy and self serving dishonesty it's a healthy reminder that our society has problems that in many ways are more difficult to solve than the obvious inequities that can be, to a large extent, dealt with by redistributing wealth to where it's needed most.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4366 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Russell Brown,

    But Jenna Raeburn's presentation as some sort of commentator when she was literally part of the National campaign has been absurd.

    Raeburn is coveting Matthew Hooton's seat. She sounds just like Kellyanne Conway, complete with all the "alternative facts".

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5328 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Is it 'National Wear Your Heart On Your Sleeve Week'?
    Janine Starks: Winston Peters, go blue for KiwiSavers

    OPINION: Dear Winston. Let's be upfront. I care about money. You care about people. And most people care about money, so that's what links us.
    Another admission; I'd like you to choose National. There's no point me pretending to be purple. Columnists are never neutral and I'm not about to be the first.
    ....
    The $10 note is blue and the $5 note is red for a reason, but I think you know that.

    that last sentence no longer exists in the body copy, just in the photo caption - perhaps they realised that fivers are orange - it's the $100 that's red!

    She does end (spoiler):

    Of course it's too black and white to claim investment differentials over different time periods are entirely the result of politics. They're not and we all know that. But governments do play a big hand in creating the right climate for growth and you can be the judge of the numbers.
    We'll all be fine under Labour if that's what you choose, but I for one, will always wonder how much greater every KiwiSaver fund could have been.

    ...but who reads to the end, right?

    I also liked Eno's tweet

    "The totally convinced and the totally stupid have too much in common for the resemblance to be accidental." - Robert Anton Wilson

    https://twitter.com/dark_shark/status/912233781557260288

    ...and did you know the $20 is also known as '1 tinnie'
    there's a very illuminating subsection on this under the NZ$20 Wikipedia entry.

    Drug association
    A tinnie is a colloquial term coined for marijuana buds wrapped in aluminium foil (typically around 1g) which are illegally sold in New Zealand. The most popular price and form of currency used in exchange for tinnies is a 20 dollar note, although this can vary depending on quantity, weight, area and the vendor. Tinnies are often frowned upon even by regular marijuana consumers, the term and sale of which are typically only common in rougher areas of the towns and cities.[citation needed]

    Doesn't look like a Reserve Bank edit...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7480 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to linger,

    Re-checked. I'm actually wrong, and GJ is essentially correct on that point, though not in the consequent insistence that the commercial wasn't deliberately misleading. The "income tax" claim is misleading for a different (though similar negative counterfactual) reason — that the tax cut law has not yet come into effect, and therefore removing it does not impose any new tax.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1751 posts Report Reply

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