Hard News: Media3: The Maori Media Man
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a South Auckland dance crew
That'd be our world champions. Also quite sexy. Latest here:
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If it’s a sexy ad for public transport, I think the Danes are on top of it
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I'm keen to check out the Maori Media story, looks great.
Based solely on the brief intro to the youtube segment:
or is our freedom to watch a bad, hateful movie the whole point?
From this angle; Google's corporate responsibility and autonomy vs US Government interference(s).
a film that’s getting people killed
Has the look of that old boilerplate. Underpinned by centuries of violent Western foreign policy, incited movements exploit western propaganda as justification for further violence. Western media shifts the viewers' gaze, exploiting the agitated violence to discuss peripherals such as freedom of speech, that elephant chilling safely in the bat cave. The only film getting anyone killed this year is 'The Dark Knight Rises'.
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I watched the same Native Affairs show, it was good television and Julian Wilcox is one sharp interviewer. He managed to nail the smooth talking Bill English without malice but with considerable skill . He's good.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
The only film getting anyone killed this year is ‘The Dark Knight Rises’.
For goodness sake, at least 28 people have died in violence attributed to this film, including people protesting about it. An imam in Egypt has declared a fatwa on everyone involved in the film, however unwittingly, and Salman Rushdie has seen his bounty raised by the mullahs.
And meanwhile, YouTube is holding the line on the basis that the film doesn't violate its hate speech guidelines. And perhaps they're right to say so, but to say that the issue of free speech is "a peripheral" here is just nonsense.
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I'm immensely tempted to come along - I mean, I have a day off tomorrow and am therefore conveniently placed to do so....... 1) Because I love Native Affairs and 2) I might just have a teeny crush on Julian Wilcox (along with the rest of the population of people who are attracted to men).
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Nonsense or not Russell, I'll stand by it. While the film is the catalyst of this year's protests, it's peripheral to the deeper motivations for the killings . Likewise the issue of free speech itself is peripheral to a film which hasn't contravened free speech laws in its country of origin.
When Breivik killed 77 in 2011, I felt the issue of freedom of speech and the multicultural and immigration policies of Europe were likewise peripheral to key point:
Anders Behring Breivik is a homicidal maniac. -
Russell Brown, in reply to
Nonsense or not Russell, I’ll stand by it. While the film is the catalyst of this year’s protests, it’s peripheral to the deeper motivations for the killings .
Which are? Yes, it’s looking like in Benghazi the film was a pretext for an al Qaeda-linked group working with former Gaddafi loyalists. I don’t think their motivations are all that good.
In Afghanistan, 14 people were killed after an insurgent group persuaded an 18 year-old girl to strap on a bomb “in response to the film insulting the Prophet Muhammad and Islam.” (At least that’s not as bad as last week’s heart-breaking child-suicide-bombing of a kids’ skateboarding club in Kabul. If you can find a geopolitical justification for that, you’re doing better than me.)
And, of course, there have also been people killed in the act of protesting.
Likewise the issue of free speech itself is peripheral to a film which hasn’t contravened free speech laws in its country of origin.
But people in many countries have taken the film’s continued availability as evidence that the US government wants it to be available. They’re from countries where their governments – new or old – wouldn’t tolerate such publication, and have, in some cases, been blocking it – along with Gmail and Google. It’s quite central to the whole thing.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Has the look of that old boilerplate. Underpinned by centuries of violent Western foreign policy
Fucking hell, Mark, just take a damn look at where that violence is taking place and who’s getting killed. Hint: It’s not going down in ‘The West’ and this isn't about smug white liberals sticking it to The Man.
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But people in many countries have taken the film’s continued availability as evidence that the US government wants it to be available.
I've observed many such individuals, subjected to a poor education fraught with nationalist/ religious indoctrination.
They’re from countries where their governments – new or old – wouldn’t tolerate such publication, and have, in some cases, been blocking it – along with Gmail and Google. It’s quite central to the whole thing.
In this VPN era any such efforts are largely cosmetic. I don't dispute this wave of protest is directly attributable to Innocence of Muslims. But I'm hard pressed to conflate protest with killing.
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mark taslov, in reply to
Fucking hell, Mark, just take a damn look at where that violence is taking place and who’s getting killed. Hint: It’s not going down in ‘The West’ and this isn’t about smug white liberals sticking it to The Man.
Language Craig ;)
"The existence of Islam has always made the West profoundly uneasy. Islam was the only major world religion to be revealed after the rise of Christianity, and consequently it was, from the moment of the revelation of Islam in the seventh century A.D., viewed by Christendom as a direct threat and challenge to itself.
On the theological and religious level, the reaction of the West was strong, sustained and, almost without exception, hostile. Hostility was based on fear, and fear had its roots in ignorance. Christendom feared Islam, and therefore misrepresented it. Christians were ignorant of Islam, at least in part, because Christendom, prompted by odium theologicum had no desire to understand or tolerate Islam
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Rob S, in reply to
I'm not sure that Islamic theology was the only or main reason that it made the West "profoundly uneasy'. It reached deeply into the west itself through conquest before being stopped in southern France and Vienna having taken over Byzantia, Spain and quite a few other parts of Europe. The breakup and subsequent war in Yugoslavia is in no small part an echo of this period. The crusades [ still a touchstone in the Middle East ] were an attempt to regain formerly Christian territory taken by Islamic forces.
To say that Christendom misunderstood Islam is not an argument I would make.
I do like your term odium theologium however. There seems to be enough of it about and it inspires far too much ill will. -
mark taslov, in reply to
Historian, R.M. Savory deserves any due credit there Rob (that is assuming he’s not you), I linked to ‘War against Islam’ as I didn’t want to go to too much of an effort seeing as Craig was probably taking the piss when stating in reference to western foreign policy and the locations of these protests that:
"It’s not going down in ‘The West’"
but yeah...
If you can find a geopolitical justification for that, you’re doing better than me.)
Thanks Russell, I hope the show's a blinder ;)
C-man
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Who's attributing the violence (and the classic propaganda "low angle" crowd scenes) to this film? There's constant protests against US foreign policy around the world, including inside the US. There's fundy Imam's calling fatwas on some bullshit as often as US fuckwits are calling for war on yet another Muslim land over some other bullshit (only the wars kill rather a lot more people). Is anyone surprised the Libyan people aren't perfectly compliant to the violent restructuring of their state via overwhelming air power, including the bombing of cities and hospitals? That you can organise an attack on a US base in Afghanistan on a flimsy pretence?
As to what the deeper motivations are, it's Palestine, duh. The massive ongoing non-negotiable US financial and military backing for a violently repressive racist state that refuses to recognise the rights of groups of natural citizens simply because they are Muslims. It's a sore spot, particularly for Muslims. That thing where they get to sit at the big kid's table because they have nukes is hardly a secret either.
Which comes back around to Māori and if property is something only white-people's law gives you, or something. Funny how the government can sell something that no one can own, unless they mean "no one brown can own". -
Russell Brown, in reply to
Is anyone surprised the Libyan people aren’t perfectly compliant to the violent restructuring of their state via overwhelming air power, including the bombing of cities and hospitals?
Well, no, not in the case of Benghazi. Benghazi was days away from slaughter at the hands of pro-Gaddafi forces . It was Nato air support that saved the city and its people.
And according to the Guardian's report, the people of Benghazi are not at all happy about the attack on the US consulate:
Loudspeakers outside the mosque broadcast a sermon in which the imam,, Suheib, condemned the attack. "The burning of buildings is not the path of the prophet Muhammad," the imam said.
It was a sentiment shared by worshippers mingling outside in the hot afternoon sun, and anger was growing towards a government unable or unwilling to take control. The fear across Benghazi is that the jihadists want to decouple Libya from western support, creating chaos in which they will hope to seize power.
So no, I don't think your characterisation of the attitude of the local populace is accurate at all.
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Another interesting angle to consider about The Innocence of Muslims is why anyone (including You Tube) would want to touch a movie whose producers are being used by cast members and crew for what can most charitably be described as fraud.
And another rather sad irony, the same day the Rushdie fatwa hit the wires again, the first reviews were appearing of his memoir Joseph Anton. I’m not sure he’d have much time for the “any publicity is good public” school of thought any more.
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And then we’ll have a little something I won’t tell you about yet. But it’s sexy. Literally.
Whatever it is, it's going to take a lot to beat Amanda Palmer's startling dance on the Webstock edition of Media 7 in 2011.
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mark taslov, in reply to
for what can most charitably be described as fraud.
Cultural Learnings of America meets Greyskull? Money should change hands, I’m kind of taken with the crawling:
“SUPPORT WEEKLY BLITZ – THE ONLY ANTI JIHADIST NEWSPAPER CONFRONTING RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM AND PROMOTING INTERFAITH HARMONY – BLITZ FEARS NONE BUT GOD – SUPPORT WEEKLY BLITZ”
random.
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free speech dimension of the dreadful The Innocence of Muslims film and its violent international fallout free speech dimension of the dreadful The Innocence of Muslims film and its violent international fallout
The film is bad in so many ways...10million views phew!
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And now France prepares to temporarily close 20 embassies after some dipshit libertarians publish a bunch of cartoons whose sole purpose seems to be to offend.
I have no quarrel with the right to publish (although it’s already been pointed out that if the topic had been the Holocaust they’d have been charged with a criminal offence) but it’s a rather high-stakes environment to be doing something just because you can.
And this is pretty much just adolescent denial:
One of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, who uses the name Tignous, defended the drawings. “It’s just a drawing,” he said. “It’s not a provocation."
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Salman Rushdie was pretty good on last night's Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Defend their right to make a movie, while calling them an arsehole for doing it.
The contrast between his work and this one....
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-18-2012/salman-rushdie
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Salman Rushdie was pretty good on last night’s Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Defend their right to make a movie, while calling them an arsehole for doing it.
He was great. It’s a shame he couldn't speak for longer.
Just FYI, Dian Wichtel interviewed Rushdie for The Listener this week. But I guess that won’t be published until after the Naomi Wolf one …
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Salman Rushdie was pretty good on last night's Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Defend their right to make a movie, while calling them an arsehole for doing it.
Salman Rushdie has provoked the killing of a lot of people.
He was great. It’s a shame he couldn't speak for longer.
Yeah he is.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
but it’s a rather high-stakes environment to be doing something just because you can.
Quite, and - in tandem with ToplessKateGate - I don't think I'm the only person to note the considerable irony that this meta-trolling is taking place in a nation with not only incredibly strict privacy laws but where, in Alsace and Moselle, blasphemy is still an offense (if one nobody has ever been convicted of) under the local penal code.
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