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  • robbery,

    Can we all go home now?

    since no one seems to want to engage you on anything you've said in since forever it would seem prudent for you to go home and stay there. you're a real thread killer.

    back to ignore igor mode.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    If they ever make PAS-The Movie, it's going to be about one of us going back in time to prevent this thread from getting started in the first place.

    I would volunteer for this dangerous mission.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    I would like to enforce the terminator law here - which states that messing with the space-time continuum can spawn some nasty sequels. Are you sure you are in for the long haul Gio ?

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 790 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Oh, I get killed off at the end of the first one anyway. It'll be someone else's problem.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    If they ever make PAS-The Movie, it's going to be about one of us going back in time to prevent this thread from getting started in the first place.

    you're enjoying it Giovanni, and you know it.
    if it wasn't entertaining you you'd be clipping you nails in front of the heater like any sane person.
    now hurry up and make a grand exit only to return 2 pages later.

    must read your paper some day, i've got it book marked. perhaps i'll wait till it come out on dvd and rip the torrent.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Heh. Just send a robot back to poison the weed supply in Chch. Problem solved.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19596 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    can spawn some nasty sequels.

    nasty? the second one was better than the first.
    This is a sequel anyway.

    before it came

    discussion on copyright
    and a bunch of guest roles in other threads,
    its a shame this one has become the leader, its original premise was about that sad git lessig.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    now hurry up and make a grand exit only to return 2 pages later.

    If I return, it's going to be on page 1.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    Why page 1? I think you'll find the problems started here

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 790 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    that's your problem right there. don't go looking to blame your boredom on others. if you led a more interesting life you wouldn't have to come to lame arsed discussion threads at 1 am on a sunday morning.
    and no I don't need you to point that mirror at me.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    "how ignorant art thou in thy pride of wisdom!"

    Mary Shelley - Frankenstein 1818.

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 790 posts Report Reply

  • tim kong,

    Can I just stick my head in and say thanks to sacha for linking to the EFF work, and the Doctorow link. That's back a few pages now - but thanks.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 153 posts Report Reply

  • jon_knox,

    Ben Goldacre on illegal filesharing from The Guardian. Bet he's made somebody's git-list.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    You're most welcome, Tim. Doctorow's story about the WIPO treaty was first linked to in a thread somewhere here (can't find it any more) by Rich I think it was, so credit there. I'm waiting on a Ministerial response about our representatives resolving the interests of world trade and New Zealanders with impaired vision.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19596 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    I know next to nothing about this subject, but for those interested, here's some news from the European elections:

    Exit polls in Sweden suggest the Pirate Party, which advocates the shortening the duration of copyright protection and allowing non-commercial file-sharing between individuals, has won a seat with 7.4% of the vote. (BBC website)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1284 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    This thread must be saved!! With the main proponents banned, how can it get to 200 pages of circular argument?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Has it changed yet? (sb)

    no, but it must. (roberee)

    And Simon strikes gold

    Actually Rob, apart from the silly bit at the end you are 100% wrong,

    Thanks rob. Its been a pressure and a pilferage.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    main proponent banned

    Just in case people are wondering what Rich is talking about.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19596 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Threadzilla has spun its last death-spiral. :'(

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Although I guarantee that the first thing robbery will do if his account is re-enabled is to come here and kick this off again.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Sam, you're wrong.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Please tell me you mean my second post and not my first!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Oh, I see what you did there.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • tim kong,

    Via the nzoss mailing list:

    I'll have a little Elvis with that please.

    The bid by the Phonographic Performance Company of Australia, which represents more than 750 record companies, follows a decision by the Copyright Tribunal to approve an increase of 15 times the music costs for the nightclub industry, which was recently endorsed by the Federal Court of Australia.

    The Australasian Performing Right Association, which collects licensing fees on behalf of composers and artists, has launched a separate action for a tenfold increase in the fees paid by nightclubs for recorded music.

    Buoyed by the nightclub ruling, the PPCA is now targeting eateries. It wants to increase licensing fees in a 120-seat restaurant to $19,344 a year — up from $125. Small cafes would be slugged with a 4729 per cent yearly increase from $124 to $5860.

    ....

    Mr Healey said illegal internet downloads were robbing the music industry of its main income source — CD sales — and the PPCA was looking for other ways to make money for record companies.

    PPCA chief executive Stephen Peach said recorded music attracted patrons to venues and was significantly undervalued. "The rates we have historically charged are barely nominal and we are looking to establish a fair return. The cafe owner just has to ask if the music is worth it, and if it isn't they don't have to play it," he said.

    Health-centre operators are also bracing for a sharp increase in the cost of music for exercise classes, with the Copyright Tribunal expected to make a decision next month. The PPCA has asked for an increase of 400 times the cost for music played in gyms, from 96 cents a class to $4.54 a month for every member.

    Fitness Australia chief Lauretta Stace said the proposed increase would add about $5 to a monthly gym membership. "The PPCA wants a levy on each member, but when you go into a gym most people are listening to an iPod."

    EATERIES

    Mid-sized restaurant (120 seats): from $125 to $19,344 a year.
    Small restaurant (50 seats): from $84 to $16,016.
    Cafe (50 seats): from $62 to $10,010.
    Smaller cafe (30 seats): from $124 to $5864 a year.
    Gyms: Up from 96 cents a class capped at $2600 a year to $4.54 per member a month.
    Nightclubs: The Copyright Tribunal has approved a rise of 7 cents a person to $1.05 based on venue capacity.
    Music costs at bars, hairdressers and shops to be reveiwed by PPCA.

    You have to wonder if they'll follow suit here - and if there's a 15% surcharge on public holidays.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 153 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Wow, I had to resurrect this from the middle of page 2.

    A good review of the Joywar controversy.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

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