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  • Lilith __,

    Mr Key was entertained by Demi Moore who did an exciting dance involving veils. Afterwards she was seen to approach Mr Key and whisper something to him.

    “Oh, it was something I’m pretty comfortable with, it was just a small request which we will be looking into in the coming weeks. I didn’t quite catch what she said and will be getting clarification in the coming days, but I think all she asked for was something like, what Dotcom said on a platter.

    Brilliant, Graham. :-)

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3887 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX, in reply to Alec Morgan,

    Go back and look at the state of the union at the time the 'Hobbit Dispute" was rolled out it had not been registered/establsihed and had not meet wih the people they purported to represent.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

  • Tim Michie,

    Auckward • Since Nov 2006 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston, in reply to Rachel Lang,

    I would love it to work, but this feels like a razzle-dazzle distraction from our real woes.

    Of course it is that's the whole point of Grahams post, IMHO. A NZ film industry telling our stories, looking at the world from our own unique point of view would be fantastic.
    Selling our locations, crews and talent to Hollywood to create what ever the Hollywood machine deems is popular is effectively selling our sovereignty our national soul.

    Yeah maybe the economics could work , more film industry people employed for longer but what will that do to Independence film production in NZ . Maybe we can do both I dunno but it worries me we might gain money but loose something intangible but far reaching in terms of identity .

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 509 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Richard Aston,

    it worries me we might gain money but loose something intangible but far reaching in terms of identity .

    Unless creativity is zero sum, I don't see how. Paid work on other projects has subsidised grassroots local film-making for years. And so long as the govt does not cut culture funding or further screw the distribution system, local stories should still make it onto our various screens.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Tim Michie,

    Tolkien Heads...

    What’s The Hobbit . ..without a troll or two, aye?

    Indeed,
    it can make for orc wood moments,
    while goblin the scenery...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7886 posts Report Reply

  • Tim Michie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    A Smaugasbord of the bards and the bored...

    Auckward • Since Nov 2006 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Tim Michie,

    A Smaugasbord of the bards...

    a Gollumaufry of Godzone, even...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7886 posts Report Reply

  • Tim Michie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    And apparently we'll hit the Silmarillion by 2030...
    A new age for a zealous land...

    Auckward • Since Nov 2006 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    a Gollumaufry of Godzone, even…

    Godzone Gonads! That's all we'll lose. Nothing to see there. watch this flick.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston, in reply to Sacha,

    Unless creativity is zero sum, I don’t see how. Paid work on other projects has subsidised grassroots local film-making for years. And so long as the govt does not cut culture funding or further screw the distribution system, local stories should still make it onto our various screens.

    Glad to hear your optimism Sacha and yeah you are probably right , I hope.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 509 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Richard Aston,

    very conditional - note the 'so long as' clause

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    I don’t recall any particular consensus or party line from that time–just the usual mish-mash and diversity of views on the matter.

    Oh please. Debate? I recall Russell Brown going off half-cocked and then behaving like a possum in denial about those headlights and the debate consisting of his loyal fanbase defending him by pouring scorn on anyone who dared questioned the party line. As in happens, in the wash we all now know who was right and who was wrong, and most of regulars around here were just plain wrong on this particular issue.

    Hard News suffered a credibility blow from which it has never recovered - it is now largely a sporadic blog about media matters, generation x music nostalgia and advertorials for the Media 3 TV show. Russell Brown himself has said he wants and likes it that way now.

    Of course, water under the bridge is water under the bridge. As far as I am concerned being wrong isn't a crime, but not learning from it is. I wonder how many people who regularly post here have learnt anything from being wrong over the Hobbit?

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2210 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    we all now know who was right and who was wrong

    That the actors' union muffed the beginning of the process, you mean? That the govt and producers lied and colluded? I doubt you'll find things were as black and white here as you remember them, Sanc.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    generation x music nostalgia

    Oh we all can all get a little moist glisten in our eye when it comes to music. When you start talking about credibility as some kind of yardstick by which we can measure the worth of a person, and we have the leaders? govt/ business, (we dont have spiritual leaders anymore just seat warmers) we’ve got, and I’m talking global. You have lost the plot.

    Dave Sanborn on sax, doesnt get any better

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1881 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to andin,

    Oh, please. Suggesting that Tom has lost the plot does a disservice.
    To the plot.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    I'm still waiting for Paul Holmes to apologise to Helen Kelly.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    Of course, water under the bridge is water under the bridge. As far as I am concerned being wrong isn’t a crime, but not learning from it is. I wonder how many people who regularly post here have learnt anything from being wrong over the Hobbit?

    Haha. Very good!

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3887 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Richard Aston,

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    is effectively selling our sovereignty our national soul.

    Font Wars.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Graham Reid,

    One of the more personally amusing benefits of writing a piece like this (and yes, I was That Guy) is I get to sit back and watch. As Russell noted in his earlier piece about satire and how my columns had been received by Herald readers, some people Just Don't Get It.
    I had credited PA readers with more humour/sense/wit etc.
    But look back at this thread: humourless prats; willfully divisive agenda-advancing commentators; people who cannot spell; digression writers out for their own purpose; human canines who can't let an old bone go . . .
    Jeez, I gotta (sp?) do this more often.
    You guys are so much funnier than I was, or those mad-whacker callers to talkback.
    Back at ya (sp?) soon. Maybe. (Fish/barrel, interesting though?)
    BUT . . . this "Labour Party" we have . . . hmmm . . . ho ho ho

    auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 45 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    I’m still waiting for Paul Holmes to apologise to Helen Kelly.

    If only. Won't happen any time soon though. Trade unions are basically kill-on-sight for him and the old boys at the golf course.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5415 posts Report Reply

  • Alec Morgan, in reply to Graham Reid,

    I recognised your mild satire GR, once Dean Parker commented it all came back though. It is not cozy wozy, these industry people play hardball. And people might like to try and read this rebuttal.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1104/S00081/helen-kelly-the-hobbit-dispute.htm

    A family member of mine has worked on the periphery of the film industry while a student in between breaks, and has been hit with a huge (for him) ACC bill as an independent contractor when he was clearly an employee. Thanks to ShonKey’s “Hobbit Enabling Act” and Cur Richard Taylor and Lord Jackson.

    Tokerau Beach • Since Nov 2006 • 121 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston, in reply to Graham Reid,

    I had credited PA readers with more humour/sense/wit etc.

    Wow Graham sounds a little, I dunno, smug . Your piece was great, I enjoyed reading it but aside from saying "good writing Graham" there wasn't much to hook into in terms of debate. So a rambling debate emerged around, over and under what you wrote , so what.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 509 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Graham Reid,

    I got it.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston, in reply to Graham Reid,

    BUT . . . this “Labour Party” we have . . . hmmm . . . ho ho ho

    Belaboring the Labour party problems is so Laborious
    I feel tired just thinking about it .

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 509 posts Report Reply

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