Up Front: The Missus
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Ah, the job of a wife is to tell her husband to stop being so irresponsible with his time and money...
...just joking.
wifing and mothering aren't jobs.
how do i know? because i can't find any ads in the paper for either. and how much do these jobs pay? -
The Talmud has advice on the duties of a husband:
THE TIMES FOR CONJUGAL DUTY PRESCRIBED IN THE TORAH ARE: FOR MEN OF INDEPENDENCE, EVERY DAY; FOR LABOURERS, TWICE A WEEK; FOR ASS-DRIVERS, ONCE A WEEK; FOR CAMEL-DRIVERS, ONCE IN THIRTY DAYS; FOR SAILORS, ONCE IN SIX MONTHS. THESE ARE THE RULINGS OF R. ELIEZER.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/kethuboth/kethuboth_61.html
HTH :-)
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Just a thought - the word 'wife' simply denotes a relationship to someone else, not a role/job. The role is can easily be whatever a couple makes it, though is often subject to tradition, I guess.
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Only once a week for the ass drivers? That hardly seems fair.
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mother = nurture, protect, dicipline, praise, console, encourage, advise...
wife = emotional partner? companion? counsel? muse? receiver of unexpected gifts? firm but fair? (no, wait, that's 4th form dean)
(no word from the ladies yet? i hope they are not all busy baking scones)
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I don't really see being a wife (or life-partner or whatever it is I'm identifying as) and being a mother as truly separate roles - it's all just being-part-of-a-family. And the main difference between mothering and fathering in our household is that I'm rather better at lactating than he is.
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Job of wife? Ya got me? and I've got one.
P.S. Is saying "got" a wife ok? I know "own" is out of the question :)
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Try not to die of starvation or plague. Everything else is up for negotiation.
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I wish I could just be a person who happened to be married to another person, and might or might not become a parent to another person. Sheez.
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I'd have thought it's the same as the job of a husband: Show up and say "I do". Everything after that is up to you.
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That said, I do find that jobs are divided between me and the missus along fairly stereotypical gender lines. Mostly, though, that's a result of mutual and complementary laziness: "You should do it because it's The Man's/Woman's Job" is a code phrase we both use to mean "You should do it because I can't be bothered".
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I'm not sure about the full context of the conversation you were referring to Emma: were they talking specifically about the job of a "wife" in a way that would be different from more generally being a "spouse" or "life partner"? If that's true, then it's promoting a view of gender roles that seems hopelessly outdated. Otherwise, I'd say that the "job" of a wife is the same as the "job" of anyone who loves someone and cohabits with someone: as Stephen said, "emotional partner? companion? counsel? muse? receiver of unexpected gifts? firm but fair?" One might not usually think of that as being a "job", but there would certainly be occasions in any long-term relationship when one would have to remind oneself of one's duty as part of a partnership rather than doing it automatically out of love.
Which may be why I'm not very good at such jobs. For now, I'd rather stick with a series of short-term contracts rather a long-term career.
Hunter S. Thompson's widow Anita
For a moment there I thought you were referring to William S. Burroughs' wife. If that were the case, then the most important part of her job would be to duck.
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<quote> I'm betting it's one of Paul's. </unquote>
It is. Titus lived on Crete, was bishop there I think.
I lived on Crete, in a bay called Agios Pavlos (St Paul) where we had a small cave, with a tiny church carved into rock, where St Paul apparently took shelter at one time (Acts Chapter 27 as I recall)
From memory, Paul is pretty swingeing in his criticisms of Cretans in his letter to Titus.
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I used to lurk on a message board called something like "Titus 2" as an exercise in seeing how strong my stomach was. The definition of "wife" there was to maintain a perfect home, be modest and submissive in every way, "serve" ones husband, bear child after child and homeschool the lot of them. The forum for teenage girls was particularly upsetting.
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I don't want to derail this thread prematurely, but I need to point out that the site John Fouhy links to, while it appears to have an accurate copy of the Talmud, is run by someone who has carefully and selectively culled secondary sources for all the supporting pages, in order to cast them in the worst possible light. Indeed, I would not trust any particular page to have a correct text, nor would I trust any commentary presented there.
This is why it prominently features the work of Elizabeth Dilling.
People who poke around the rest of that site should be aware of its propagandist intent.
(This is also totally bizarre - I was completely unaware of Come And Hear until this morning, when it cropped up elsewhere.)
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I'm not sure about the full context of the conversation you were referring to Emma: were they talking specifically about the job of a "wife" in a way that would be different from more generally being a "spouse" or "life partner"?
I'm honestly not sure, Tom, and I'd hate to call it, because I genuinely feel that I'm missing something there. (Mommyblogs bring me out in a bit of a mental rash.) I think so.
Paul is pretty swingeing in his criticisms of Cretans in his letter to Titus.
Was there anyone he liked?
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Only once a week for the ass drivers? That hardly seems fair.
Who'd want to be a sailor, tho?
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being a wife is being one half of the partnership of marriage.
This partnership is to be defined by the partners.
In my marriage we are best friends, make joint decisions regarding our family, finances, future etc, parent together and probably other stuff too which doesn't come to mind immediately.
Not sure if this is a job tho'. -
So Titus 2 is the prequel to Titus Andronicus then?
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Surely being a wife's not a job when it's such fun?
it could indicate a use for my lightsabre and thigh-boots.
Can you send me photos?
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Only once a week for the ass drivers? That hardly seems fair.
Wow, that could be made into a brutal double entendre.
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So Titus 2 is the prequel to Titus Andronicus then?
It did cross my mind to wonder if it was in LOLCat.
Can you send me photos?
Sure. They may not be entirely genuine, of course...
Surely being a wife's not a job when it's such fun?
Indeed, which is why I wonder how people can see it as being harder than raising children.
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men are a bit shit.
Ah, that was a hit on the nail head moment. Thanks.
I wonder if Andy Capp could have saved you a few biblical definitions?
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Wow, that could be made into a brutal double entendre.
Guilty has charged.
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Make that "as charged".
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