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  • andin, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    gawd awful accent

    Its a shocker

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    what I really don't understand with this movie 'reboot' is why they have set it in World War One?
    The comic was originally created during, and set in, WW II.

    I wond....thought about this, too. I suspect it's because Nazis have been done
    to death (as it were) in recent superhero blockbusters, Capt America being the most obvious example.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to Emma Hart,

    the rules are definitely different for cable/Netflicks etc.

    Different for the animated versions, too, some of which are pretty good, and are also able to push the boundaries and corrupt the kiddies. My recollection of the 2009 film is that she was bi, but that it wasn't particularly a big deal.

    The violence in the animated versions is far more of a concern when it comes to a 'won't somebody think of the children' moment. The 2009 film has Ares going on a slaughter-bender against the Amazons, and there's another one that has an alternate reality Wonder Woman straight-up murdering a group of children.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Rich Lock,

    I wond….thought about this, too. I suspect it’s because Nazis have been done
    to death (as it were) in recent superhero blockbusters, Capt America being the most obvious example.

    Definitely -- and, hell, we're in the middle of the World War One centennial, and if Diana wanted an introduction to Man's World at it's worse the killing fields of the Western Front isn't a bad way to go.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Rich Lock,

    I suspect it’s because Nazis have been done to death (as it were) in recent superhero blockbusters, Capt America being the most obvious example.

    Just seems wrong to me both characters had their genesis in 1941 (Captain America March '41, Wonder Woman December '41) and WWII is a big part of their origins and the 'invisible plane' was there from early on - but won't be showing up in this movie reboot - the technology level of WWI precludes it.
    http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/wonder-woman/news/a798167/wonder-woman-movie-wont-feature-invisible-jet/

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Rich Lock,

    The violence in the animated versions is far more of a concern when it comes to a ‘won’t somebody think of the children’ moment.

    It's been this way since forever, though. I mean superheros pretty much ALL spend most of their time either bashing or getting bashed. Violence is not an offshoot, it's basically their whole purpose. Very often the whole purpose of their secret identity is just so they can get away with it.

    I do have to wonder if we overthink that. How closely correlated is the consumption of violent depiction with actual violence? The two would seem to be trending in opposite directions for like a hundred years. Probably the best you could say is that the exact form of the violence in depictions is often imitated.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10641 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to BenWilson,

    It's been this way since forever, though. I mean superheros pretty much ALL spend most of their time either bashing or getting bashed. Violence is not an offshoot, it's basically their whole purpose. Very often the whole purpose of their secret identity is just so they can get away with it.

    I do have to wonder if we overthink that. How closely correlated is the consumption of violent depiction with actual violence? The two would seem to be trending in opposite directions for like a hundred years. Probably the best you could say is that the exact form of the violence in depictions is often imitated.

    I spend far too much time thinking about this....

    But what I was specifically driving at was the difference between the 'A-Team' style violence of the cartoons of my childhood (hundreds of bullets flying around, explosions everywhere, cars flying through the air and crashing onto their roofs, yet every single time the bad guys get up shaking their heads groggily and mumbling 'I woulda got away with it too, if it hadn't been for you pesky meddling ex-special forces escaped convicts!'), and this, where Wonder Woman straight up slaughters a bunch of kids.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to BenWilson,

    I do have to wonder if we overthink that.

    PS if you happen to be looking for some reading matter on this, I recommend Barbara Ehrenreich's 'Blood Rites'. A pretty decent overview of why we might still be fascinated by all this stuff.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    Of course they should. Right now it still feels like a buck each way – the publicity for saying there are going to be LGBT characters, and then they turn out to be presented in such a way that the Million Moms aren’t going to notice.

    Despite some notable departures this century, we are your psychos, your serial killers and your dolphin thieves, but usually we are just the punchline. It would be nice to see more transgender characters whose identities were incidental.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Rich Lock,

    where Wonder Woman straight up slaughters a bunch of kids.

    But they cut away, so you don't really see what being impaled on a broken sword looks like (although the sound effect is a bit meaty, IMHO). Because there's no room for that in today's game, totally not what the crowd wants to see.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10641 posts Report Reply

  • Miche Campbell, in reply to BenWilson,

    Surprised they put it in at all considering the Won't Someone Think Of The Children crowd.

    Dunedin • Since Feb 2011 • 79 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to mark taslov,

    Despite some notable departures this century, we are your psychos, your serial killers and your dolphin thieves, but usually we are just the punchline. It would be nice to see more transgender characters whose identities were incidental.

    I didn’t previously realise Crocodile Dundee was a popular sex offender. I’m now going to watch the Hollywood block busters thru more critical eyes. Especially when dolphin thieves are in the frame.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4327 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to steven crawford,

    ...Crocodile Dundee...dolphin thieves...

    While I managed to avoid the Flipper movie, the one memorable review I recall described it as starring Paul Hogan after he'd "had his face ironed flat on easy street:"

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to steven crawford,

    Oops, I inadvertently missed including this link

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

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