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  • Rob Stowell, in reply to BenWilson,

    I guess we just see this differently. I think Labour would say no if such a deal were offered. It'd look too bad. And there'd be incredible scrutiny and a threat to relations with the US etc etc. At which point Hone and Harre allowing National back would be curtains for both.
    Why is KDC throwing so much at this then? First I get the impression $3m isn't much to him. And he's likely to lose it anyway. Ego and grievance is probably part if it. He'd like to take down the government. Plus a sense of mischief. And maybe somewhere in there a desire to help others. It's not impossible :)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 1434 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    First I get the impression $3m isn’t much to him. And he’s likely to lose it anyway. Ego and grievance is probably part if it. He’d like to take down the government. Plus a sense of mischief. And maybe somewhere in there a desire to help others. It’s not impossible :)

    I think all of those are true to some extent as well.

    I think Labour would say no if such a deal were offered. It’d look too bad. And there’d be incredible scrutiny and a threat to relations with the US etc etc.

    I don't think it would look that bad to oppose something that is, after all, a pretty extraordinary measure by those seeking KDC's extradition. I actually think it looks quite a lot worse to allow it.

    As to a threat to relations with the US, pffff. They threaten that to everyone about everything. At best it's a threat to relations with Hollywood, which is not the whole US, and as if Hollywood is going to pull the pin on NZ. They get a sweeeeet deal from us already. If anything, that itself should be used as plenty heaps of reasons NOT to let them extradite people from here over something that is barely considered criminal by a huge segment of the population, and which is indulged in on a far more massive scale all around the world by many, many people, including in the USA itself.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    But maybe Key is a little rattled. Maybe it’s facing an opponent who’s much wealthier? More likely: the IP entering is likely to repeatedly focus attention on his series of statements surrounding what and when he knew about the spying and the raid. TV3’s timelines look quite convincing. This is one of his weakest points. Not something National will want the election to keep in the media.

    Chances are that Edward Snowden hasn't yet revealed everything about NZ's connections with the NSA.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4059 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to DeepRed,

    ready for publication in August, perhaps

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    More strategic MMP genius from Labour (loyal footsoldiers, that's your cue to shoot the messenger):

    The Greens are promising free healthcare up to the age of 18, and a new carbon tax on big emitters, with tax cuts for individuals and businesses.

    But likely Government partner Labour has zero response: a spokesman says they only comment on National's policies these days.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Sacha,

    Not sure that's really so bad. If they endorse the policy, it's something for National to attack them with. The Greens can fight to defend their own policy. At least Labour are not wasting energy and camera time arguing with the Greens.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to BenWilson,

    Not sure that’s really so bad. If they endorse the policy, it’s something for National to attack them with. The Greens can fight to defend their own policy. At least Labour are not wasting energy and camera time arguing with the Greens.

    Agreed. No matter what they say, certain reporters will extrapolate it in potentially unhelpful ways. And it’s not Labour’s job to deliver commentary on the Greens’ policies. It makes more sense to focus on their own policies and on opposing the party they oppose.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18512 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    ready for publication in August, perhaps

    In which case it'll probably run into whatever it is Whaleoil is saving for later in the year. I can see a lot of merit in Labour and the Greens standing clear of the mess.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18512 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It makes more sense to focus on their own policies
    and on opposing the party they oppose.

    Yeah, but it would be good if they took off the heavy duty blinkers to get the big picture...
    At the moment it feels a bit like 'La la la la I can't hear or see you'
    The post-election landscape will include Greens,
    and they are here to help.

    How hard can that be?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 4555 posts Report Reply

  • AlistairC,

    BenW :
    Since the question obsesses you so : Laila is working on raising her geek profile: apparently she got told to shut up about technical details on Q&A
    http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a/s2014-ep13-video-5987463

    And what do you actually know about how geeky she is? Her husband runs a software company... Oh and she's not aiming to get your vote anyway... you're too old for her anyway :)
    But each day when she walks to the sea,
    She looks straight ahead – not at he…

    Girl from IPMana (sexist meme of the day)

    France • Since Sep 2008 • 9 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to AlistairC,

    Girl from IPMana (sexist meme of the day)

    I'm hoping the 'Princess Laila and the Rebel Alliance' meme
    might bite as well...
    Especially as Key's Death Star is closing in for the kill!

    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 4555 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to AlistairC,

    Her husband runs a software company

    He’s a health sector research/data geek. Nice man.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to AlistairC,

    you’re too old for her anyway :)

    I'm sure she'd take it if I gave it :-)

    As for obsession, hardly. I'm disappointed, slightly. We'll see, now. My prediction, the IP is screwed. I consider that a bit of a pity, a might-have-been. The upside is that Mana get some money so I think we'll get a much better view this election of what their true support is.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to AlistairC,

    Russell Norman came across very well in that Q&A to my eyes, btw. Really has a good idea of how a mixed coalition could work.

    Talking up what a threat IP is to them seems a bit flat to me. Maybe they take some votes from the Greens, but it doesn’t seem like they’re really challenging the Greens on the environmentalism front, and would be foolish to try. So long as they signal compatibility, I think they’re making the right move. IP Mana that is (wasn’t that the name of Bruce Lee’s legendary Wing Chun instructor?). So long as they’re genuinely targeting a different demographic, it’s good for both parties on the left. I’m damned sure that the Greens would rather make the numbers with Labour with the help of IP/Mana than with the help of NZ First.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston, in reply to BenWilson,

    I’m damned sure that the Greens would rather make the numbers with Labour with the help of IP/Mana than with the help of NZ First.

    But does Labour feel that way?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 451 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Wow, just hit Cunliffe's bit. I seldom watch TV news so I'm just a little shocked by how confident and coherent he is, remembering how poorly Shearer came across. Good to see.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Richard Aston,

    But does Labour feel that way?

    Perhaps not, but as Norman kept pointing out, they're in a very strong position this time. There is nearly zero chance that Labour will form a coalition without the Greens, so if IP/Mana made up the numbers, the Greens could quite simply insist, locking NZ First out. To do so would make a lot of sense, would push much more strongly for their own agenda. Then Labour's only other coalition possibility would be with National, and that seems very unlikely in this country at the moment.

    ETA: I think that the chance of this happening is low, though. NZ First seems likely to also be required. I think they would probably go with National, however much Peters likes to talk up keeping his options open. But a lot can happen in a few months. I'm feeling pretty impressed with how much like a government in waiting the Green and Labour leadership are looking.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    Talking up what a threat IP is to them seems a bit flat to me. Maybe they take some votes from the Greens, but it doesn’t seem like they’re really challenging the Greens on the environmentalism front, and would be foolish to try. So long as they signal compatibility, I think they’re making the right move. IP Mana that is

    As if on cue, Laila Harre tweets:

    Having a look at @NZGreens climate change policy. Seems sensible to me.

    See, not that difficult. MMP voters like to know where the similarities are as well as the differences.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Slater/Ede vs Hager – know who I’d put my money on. :)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Sacha,

    MMP voters like to know where the similarities are as well as the differences.

    Absolutely. Both are vital. Full marks for similarities. Now, about those differences...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    It dawned on me that Hollywood may have done something inadvertently very stupid, they have essentially goaded a viable pirate party into existence …. from now on any dirty tricks on their part are going to scream “American Political Interference” (which it would be …. cue TV news images of John Minto talking about the Rainbow Warrior and American Nuclear Warships) which would just be playing into the IP’s hands

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2031 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2031 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    As if on cue, Laila Harre tweets:

    Having a look at @NZGreens climate change policy. Seems sensible to me.

    See, not that difficult. MMP voters like to know where the similarities are as well as the differences.

    Which is much easier to say if you don't have any policy of your own. It's a bit harder for Labour to endorse another party's policy if that requires the ETS they introduced to be scrapped. What they have said is "We'll talk," which seems fair.

    You do seem to think it's Labour's job to publicly agree with everything the Greens suggest.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18512 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to BenWilson,

    Wow, just hit Cunliffe’s bit. I seldom watch TV news so I’m just a little shocked by how confident and coherent he is, remembering how poorly Shearer came across. Good to see.

    He’s become quite good at not being rattled by interviewers barking excitedly at him, which is useful. He's also seeming less like an android.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18512 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Labour first http://www.webcitation.org/5k1gJJStW then gave it up under pressure from Peters and Dunne. They did consider that one could be introduced "post 2012".

    They then switched to an ETS, which has comprehensively failed.

    It would be kinda nice if they could work with the Greens on a suitable policy that also addressed consumer living standards issues, but I guess that the Greens managed that all by themselves.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4359 posts Report Reply

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