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Hard News: #NetHui: it's all about you

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  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    AWESOMENESS

    +1

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16794 posts Report Reply

  • Rowan Crawford, in reply to Russell Brown,

    As I said on the twitters at the time -- Finlayson was right in saying that Lockwood routinely accepts those kinds of non-answers, but he's liable to add and the public will judge the quality of the answer when Ministers work that hard to be uninformative.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2008 • 22 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to Sacha,

    trotted out the same laissez-faire chicken and egg argument

    It's pretty hard to trot on two legs, innit?

    <coat>

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi, in reply to Russell Brown,

    20% of PA readers spend more than 30 hours a week on the internet.

    What on earth do people do with their time when they're not on the Internet? I don't understand! That's 138+ hours a week not spent on the Internet. Noone needs to sleep that long.

    Seriously though, that's a really interesting demographic breakdown. And I still have no idea who Kimberley Crossman is.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 862 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to recordari,

    tell it to Orwell :)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16794 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to Andre Alessi,

    Seriously though, that's a really interesting demographic breakdown.

    Yes, thanks by the way.

    And I still have no idea who Kimberley Crossman is.

    +1

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Links to NetHui coverage.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16794 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    You know it would be nice to have more of them join in.

    Always. But the thought of them there is still very nice.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8598 posts Report Reply

  • bmk,

    I am probably fortunate in that I work in an open-plan office with no fixed computer of my own. So I can’t really read PAS at work. I am glad of this as otherwise I fear my productivity would suffer.

    But I can see how it would help other people relax and recollect their thoughts. Also can understand what was said about knowing people who would benefit from benefit from reading it.

    Out of curiosity does anyone work in a place where PAS is blocked? My workplace has a very liberal policy and doesn’t appear to block anything even though Facebook and Trade Me are the most visited sites neither of which there are legitimate, work place related reasons to visit. I like this policy though – I think workplaces should let employees view pretty much anything they want. If employees abuse this then punish the employee themself rather than all employees as a whole. I can see however how some places (such as schools) couldn’t do this and would have to create a restrictive policy.

    Since Jun 2010 • 323 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to bmk,

    where PAS is blocked

    They once tried to block Trademe here but apparently the CEO was trying to sell his boat and that quickly got changed.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3426 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Russell Brown,

    you have fatally aligned yourself with the espresso-swilling bourgoisie?

    When did we switch from Chardonnay? And where can I find the merlot-swilling semi-bourgoisie?

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2173 posts Report Reply

  • bmk, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    They once tried to block Trademe here but apparently the CEO was trying to sell his boat and that quickly got changed.

    That is one of this things that is so funny it just has to be true. The stories I could tell about the different set of rules that apply to the top hierarchy in my company - but I better not as I can't see how to properly anonymise it and don't want to risk my job.

    Since Jun 2010 • 323 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to recordari,

    Kimberley Crossman

    LBN: If you can avoid finding out, you will be the better for it. Trust me on this.

    ETA: Reply to: Andre Alessi.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to bmk,

    Out of curiosity does anyone work in a place where PAS is blocked?

    WebMarshall HATES me. But in the cases I'm aware of, something about the specific content of a page has tripped it, rather than the whole site being blanket-banned.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4369 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to BenWilson,

    the thought of them there is still very nice

    Me, I'm always wondering, why aren't more women joining in? Here more than most places on teh internets, where the reasons why women don't join in are fairly obvious!

    What on earth do people do with their time when they’re not on the Internet? I don’t understand! That’s 138+ hours a week not spent on the Internet. Noone needs to sleep that long.

    +1 :-)

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3470 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to Sacha,

    found the twitter feed from #nethui utterly compelling

    +1

    Can we still be friends if I say that all these "WE ARE THE FUTURE!" conferences and associated networking and whatnot make me die a little inside? I'm sure it all serves some wonderful purpose for which I will be very grateful in future years, but... ack. Not my thing. (Preceding paragraph brought to you by Doubting Tiso Industries, Inc.)

    Terminology note: I think 'mansplaining' and 'patronising' actually *do* have slightly different meanings, in that the former implies a specific 'barging blindly into the conversation to immediately pontificate about an issue which everyone has been discussing for months or years already' (obviously, feminist blog comments suffered from this so much that the term was coined in response) and the latter isn't nearly so specific. But yeah, I have seen the term used... less than helpfully, recently.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3661 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    WebMarshall HATES me

    People should be aware that Marshal products, unlike some other filters, are under the control of the deploying organisation. Whilst there are defaults, you can set trigger words and weightings, whitelist sites and warn rather than block.

    [I used to work at Marshal Software. We had no firm blocks apart from viruses, and the option of using or not using the WebMarshal proxy].

    Also, single-L.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4467 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    People should be aware that Marshal products, unlike some other filters, are under the control of the deploying organisation. Whilst there are defaults, you can set trigger words and weightings, whitelist sites and warn rather than block.

    Yup. We went through a period when there were a lot of Mail Marshal installations, and you could see them go out with all filters on -- inevitably bouncing the daily emails on the mailing list -- and gradually ease up as people contacted their IS departments and asked them not to be so silly.

    Peter Darlington has a good story of a sensible Marshal installation at Tasman District Council. Treating staff like grown-ups, basically.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18991 posts Report Reply

  • Don Christie, in reply to LIISA,

    LIISA - thank you for carrying out that interview with Lessig. I will wait for the OGG podcast to go up so I can play it on Ubuntu. Fortunately Radio NZ are excellent at providing us with free choices.

    On the TPPA front, not all of us have given up. NZRise (http://nzrise.org.nz) organised the following presentations to TPPA negotiators in Vietnam the week before last. It went well. And like many of these good things it received financial support from InternetNZ (as well as CCIA and Catalyst IT).

    See this article for details:

    http://www.nzcs.org.nz/newsletter/article/143

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1616 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Lilith __,

    Me, I'm always wondering, why aren't more women joining in? Here more than most places on teh internets, where the reasons why women don't join in are fairly obvious!

    Or perhaps not so obvious, in hindsight. I think there's a lot of factors, and it's not just feeling threatened by angry internet commentators (many of whom are women). To avoid any mansplaining (but more because I don't actually know), can the women here articulate what their fears were prior to that first crucial post? I know what mine were, but they could be quite different.

    Re mansplaining, I find it odd that it's got nothing to do with being in mantrol.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8598 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Danielle,

    I’m sure it all serves some wonderful purpose

    My conference experience is that what is said in the sessions is mostly irrelevant, the value is bumping into people who are interested in the same things that you are interested in and then getting drunk with them. That leads to collaborations that create worthwhile things.

    Which raises the question "why have sessions where people speak?" instead you could have a conference that consisted of eating and drinking together and get just as much value.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3426 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Danielle,

    Can we still be friends if I say that all these “WE ARE THE FUTURE!” conferences and associated networking and whatnot make me die a little inside? I’m sure it all serves some wonderful purpose for which I will be very grateful in future years, but… ack. Not my thing. (Preceding paragraph brought to you by Doubting Tiso Industries, Inc.)

    There were some "Knowledge Wave" moments at NetHui, but the extremely modest cost of entry did ensure it wasn't some dreadful business seminar. There were down-home folks there -- I shared my session with Brent Simpson from Waiheke FM, who I liked a lot -- and they got to share time and space with the likes of the Privacy Commissioner and Cate Brett from the Law Commission and members of Parliament. That had practical benefits beyond mere visioning.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18991 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    My conference experience is that what is said in the sessions is mostly irrelevant, the value is bumping into people who are interested in the same things that you are interested in and then getting drunk with them. That leads to collaborations that create worthwhile things.

    This may have earned you one of my Special Golden Foil Tickets to Foo Camp :-)

    Although I think you'd find that unconference-y sessions have quite a flavour of the bumping into people and getting things happening vibe. That said, I think sessions can be useful -- Lessig certainly got everyone buzzing for the day, and the contact between ministers and the crowd was robust during their sessions.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18991 posts Report Reply

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    Here's an observation about the PA System community. After a while, no matter what the original subject, all discussion threads will end up being a small group of people chatting amongst themselves.

    It's like there's an initial window of on-topic discussion, but after that window has shut, you cannot talk on that subject any more. I mean, you can post, but no one will really respond because they've all naturally moved on to the in-group chat and so your post is kind of off-topic.

    It's not one particular group of people, just whoever is left still active in the chat. The main downside of this is if you're offline for a day and try to join in on the original topic, it's almost impossible.

    I suspect this might not be unique to Public Address, but I notice it here a lot.

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1865 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Danielle,

    I'm sure it all serves some wonderful purpose for which I will be very grateful in future years

    Yes

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16794 posts Report Reply

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