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Hard News: Haphazardly to war

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  • nzlemming, in reply to Alfie,

    The NZDF supported the amendment and said it strikes a balance "between independent investigation and ensuring judicial scrutiny did not encroach into "matters of the state".

    Unfuckingbelievable. Like they've never heard of the 3 branches of government.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2929 posts Report Reply

  • James George,

    I dunno why everyone was hangin off Key's statement to Parliament when more than two weeks before, the amerikan secretary of state announced on Al Jazeera that NZ troops would be on a training mission with Oz .
    The slavish devotion to the Key sock puppet's words makes kiwis weeks behind what is happening out there in the real world.

    In fact it is this inward looking focus promoted by media turds which means that the ignorati who lap up the endless tide of propaganda are always scratching their heads wondering WTF?

    Take IS whose popularity (and despite the bulldust the hacks around here push these guys are immensely popular throughout the Arab speaking nations) is largely derived from one simple issue. These guys are the only organised force prepared to bite spit scratch and claw at the whitefella hands that have been simultaneously strangling em and sodomising them for the last 150 years.

    If you want to get a handle on why look no further than Egypt where a genuinely popular uprising was deliberately perverted by a judeo-xtian plotted and resourced sabotage.
    Right now the people of Gaza are copping it up the ass from Israel while egypt is is levering open their mouths with a rusty screwdriver so Sisi can stick his dick in there. Meantime Barak Obama, Dave the dickhead Cameron and Merkel and all the rest of the gang are cheering him on like a mob of drunks at a buck's night.

    Let the ignorati carp on about IS all they want but as far as the people most affected by IS are concerned, nothing IS do could come close to the evil shit that 'the west' and it's zionist proxy have been doing.
    New Zealand is sending troops there because we are weak and greedy - accept those realities and then maybe we can do something to fix it.

    I don't expect it tho you're all too busy waiting for Key to drip feed you information about your own country which the septic tanks were told weeks before.

    Since Sep 2007 • 95 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to James George,

    Take IS whose popularity (and despite the bulldust the hacks around here push these guys are immensely popular throughout the Arab speaking nations)

    Really?

    The Islamic State group has substantially less support in Arab nations than it does in European countries, including Britain, according to a new report into attitudes towards the brutal jihadist group.

    The Syria and Iraq-based group, also known as ISIS or ISIL, enjoys practically no popularity in Egypt, Lebanon, or Saudi Arabia, according to research by the Washington Institute. Saudi Arabia is one of five Arab nations which joined the US in airstrikes on Islamic State (IS) targets in Syria.

    Just 3% of Egyptian expressed a positive opinion of the IS, only 5% of Saudis, and under 1% of Lebanese respondents showed any support for the group. It does not mean, the researchers point out, that there is absolutely no support for IS in those countries as the small percentages add up to around 1.5 million people in Egypt, 500,000 in Saudi Arabia, and a few thousand in Lebanon.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22724 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Pine Gap was originally put there because a US spy satellite (Keyhole, possibly) hadn't got room for the hardware for an encrypted downlink and so they used an unencrypted beam - the idea was that the Russians wouldn't be able to set up a monitoring dish in the middle of Australia.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    ...a monitoring dish in the middle of Australia.

    That reinforces my 'geographically useful idiots/allies theory, though...
    It's a Rum Jungle there indeed...
    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7866 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Really?

    Russell, It's James. Of course not really. Fact free and happy.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2929 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    out there in the real world.

    parallel universe of unknown origin...maybe

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1868 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Russell Brown,

    You'd have to consider that more survey respondents are likely to give frank answers to such a survey in places like Britain and France (where more people approved of IS than the percentage of Muslims in those countries, albeit before their atrocities got much publicity) than in dictatorships like Egypt or Saudi.

    Not to mention that 5% is a lot of support for an insurgent movement. 400 or so IRA fighters kept 30,000 UK security force members busy for thirty years.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Not to mention that 5% is a lot of support for an insurgent movement.

    Maybe so, but it's a long way short of:

    despite the bulldust the hacks around here push these guys are immensely popular throughout the Arab speaking nations

    I wouldn't call anything with even 5% support "immensely popular".

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10629 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    By the bye, Bradley Ambrose is taking John Key to trial for defamation, Feb 2016. From memory, Key didn't say those things in Parliament so no protection of privilege there.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2929 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Uh, this isn't a really good environment to be entering, is it?

    The Iraqi military launched a major campaign to take back a key city from the self-proclaimed Islamic State over the weekend—a move that caught the U.S. “by surprise,” in the words of one American government official.

    The U.S.-led coalition forces that have conducted seven months of airstrikes on Iraq’s behalf did not participate in the attack, defense officials told The Daily Beast, and the American military has no plans to chip in.

    Instead, embedded Iranian advisors and Iranian-backed Shiite militias are taking part in the offensive on the largely Sunni town, raising the prospect that the fight to beat back ISIS could become a sectarian war.

    The news is the latest indication that not all is well with the American effort against the terror group. On Friday, U.S. defense officials told The Daily Beast that a planned offensive against the ISIS stronghold of Mosul had been indefinitely postponed. Over the weekend, an American-backed rebel group in Syria announced that it was dissolving, and joining an Islamist faction.

    Then there was the unexpected battle for Tikrit. Over the weekend, a reported 30,000 troops and militiamen—mostly Shiites —stormed the Sunni dominated city of Tikrit, former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein’s hometown and the symbolic birthplace of his three decades of repressive practices against the majority Shiite population.

    U.S. officials were largely left in the dark of the planning and timing of the operation, defense officials said. The Pentagon said Monday it was not conducting airstrikes in support of the Tikrit offensive because the Iraqi government did not ask for such help.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22724 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    I heard this and and I thought - Key making deals with the devil in our name - wonder how long it is before his debt is called in.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Maybe the Iraqi army has been trained enough after all. Or radicalized or whatever the latest word for fucked-up is.

    It's going to be great fun for our troops supporting and training an army that won't even tell them when or where it's going to fight. Let alone that we've long since lost track of what or who they're fighting for.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10629 posts Report Reply

  • Alex Coleman, in reply to BenWilson,

    It's just surreal right?

    The assault on Tikrit (homeland of Saddam and the Baathists etc) is being led by the head of the Badr militia, who literally fought for Iran during the Iran/Iraq war, who is being 'advised' by the Iranian Quds forces most famous general. And the PM is asking Tikrit tribes to 'just chill, you'll be fine, and BTW this is your last chance to support the government '.

    That unity unicorn better show up soon.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 247 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to BenWilson,

    I wouldn’t call anything with even 5% support “immensely popular”

    To put it in context, it's considerably less popular than Al Qaeda has generally been in those countries.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22724 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Alex Coleman,

    It’s just surreal right?

    It's crazy. And remember, there is no Status of Forces Agreement for our troops. There's so much wrong here, and that's just what we can see from the other side of the world.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22724 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    From Bloomberg:

    Shiite militias are backing up police and army soldiers, according to state-run al-Iraqiyah television. Qassem Suleimani, the head of Iran’s elite Quds Force, arrived two days ago to “review and advise” Iraqi field commanders, the Fars news agency reported on Monday.

    And:

    There’s been no air cover because “the Iraqis haven’t requested any,” Army Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters Monday. Major General Emad al-Zahiri, commander of Samarra military operations for the Iraqi army, said by phone that the defense ministry or army command were responsible for deciding whether to ask for air support.

    Naim al-Aboudi, a spokesman for the Iranian-backed Asaib Ahl al-Haq militia, one of the main forces fighting around Tikrit, said that “the U.S.-led coalition has never decisively ended any battle.”

    “We don’t trust the coalition and we don’t need their help,” he said by phone.

    There's no way all this could bow up in anyone's face, is there?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22724 posts Report Reply

  • william blake,

    It seems that EVERBODY is pissed off with IS.

    Since Mar 2010 • 377 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    It's looking like a total mess. NYT

    On Monday, Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani, the Iranian spymaster who once directed the militias’ deadly campaign against American forces in Iraq, was on the ground near Tikrit, according to a prominent Iraqi militia leader and the Iranian Fars news agency.
    Among the nearly 30,000 fighters involved in the Tikrit operation were an estimated 700 to 1,000 Sunni tribal fighters, according to Iraqi officials.
    .... some Iraqi officials have referred to the new operation as revenge for the Shiite victims of a massacre last summer in Tikrit by the Islamic State, raising the likelihood of violent score-settling. In a gruesome tableau that was publicized in videos and photographs by the Islamic State, militants — possibly aided by local Sunni tribesmen — slaughtered more than 1,000 Shiite soldiers from a nearby military base, Camp Speicher.

    Who and where will NZers be 'training'?

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2087 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22724 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to william blake,

    It seems that EVERBODY is pissed off with IS.

    Keep your Sunni side up up.
    Keep your Sunni side up
    We are all right
    but the rest are Shiite
    So keep your Sunni side up.

    T’other’s

    We are talking the Levant here

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • william blake,

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/03/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-idUSKBN0LZ10Q20150303

    Reuters distancing American involvement, and suggesting reprisal executions would be counterproductive in strategic objective of taking Mosul but forgetting to mention that if performed would be war crimes.

    Since Mar 2010 • 377 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2604 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    Can they punch him in the face for good measure?

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2929 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Anybody who thinks Key is in Saudi Arabia for trade talks that will benefit NZ and that sending troops to Iraq is a step in the right direction is sadly mistaken.
    He is on a fools errand.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

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