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Hard News: The positive option of Red Peak

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  • simon g, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    I’m still trying to see where Labour MP’s are trashing the Greens

    http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/39828

    Labour's position is clear. It is now the same as National and the Greens. Because that's how they voted.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1321 posts Report Reply

  • chris, in reply to simon g,

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    "Every year the same four things! I'm mighty tired of those old things! I want something NEW to come down!"

    Mawkland • Since Jan 2010 • 1302 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to simon g,

    Labour's position is clear. It is now the same as National and the Greens. Because that's how they voted.

    That video must be wrong then because that is not what it says.
    Labour's position has always been Yes/No vote first, the only sensible approach. National's way is just bollocks and the Greens have backed bollocks.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to simon g,

    Labour's position is clear.

    I know. I'll see your Trevor Mallard and raise you one Andrew Little.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    It has just occurred to me that Mr. Key identifies with flags, in fact I think he truly wants to be one.
    He hoists himself up high and flips and flops as the wind blows.
    Is this the standard to which he aspires?.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to simon g,

    Labour's position is clear.

    at last!

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • Rob S,

    The more flag options to vote for the more people there will be who's first option won't be chosen.
    Probably they're more likely to say no on the final change/keep the flag option as their preference isn't on the ballot.
    I can't see a flag change occurring. This has been a stuff up from the get go.
    Key can talk the talk but as a capable "doer" I have my doubts.
    His Government is sclerotic and Brezhnevian.
    Not a single Gov surplus and a metric shit ton of extra debt, an indebted homeless generation coming through whilst he worries about our flag? Facile and aimless moves from a smartarse banker.
    I don't think the history books when written will be full of praise.

    Since Apr 2010 • 136 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Rob S,

    I can't see a flag change occurring.

    Never a realistic prospect.

    This has been a stuff up from the get go.

    Depends what you think the intent was. Seen much discusssion about housing, jobs or the exchange rate lately?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Sacha,

    If they're at all competent, they should have foreseen the main diversion would be during the time leading up to the referenda, so ... call me a suspicious bastard, but I can't help wondering, what new mess would they be attempting to divert attention from now?
    You see, I'm not sure it's worth the effort just to get us to ignore the existing problems. In the absence of longer-term investigative journalism, those issues are not necessarily going to get media attention; and the rugby would be enough of a diversion by itself, you'd think.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1889 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to linger,

    Beneficiaries breeding, redux. Can never have too many distractions on the go. Otherwise TPP might get more coverage.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens, in reply to Sacha,

    I think eugenics has never strayed to far from core National party beliefs, it kinda went out of fashion after that unfortunate business in Europe in the 1940s but they’ve never really quite let it go.

    Perhaps it's another area for fruitful cooperation with the Greens, after all they think there are to many humans. A nice bit of authoritarian population culling for the good of the planet and society. James Shaw will be all over it.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2213 posts Report Reply

  • Berinthia Binnie, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    That should sit nicely with what John Key Inc. wants.

    Who recalls the fabulous Freudian slip last election when Key celebrated the fact that NZ was a “Multi-National Country” rather than multi-cultural?

    Since Sep 2015 • 23 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Grevers, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Labour’s position has always been Yes/No vote first, the only sensible approach.

    Au contraire, how can you have a meaningful vote on "do you want to change the flag?" if there's no context of what it would change to? I would change it to some designs, I wouldn't to others. I wrote thus to Andrew Little, but got the usual formula reply.
    What matters is that we have preferential voting - although preferential voting with blocks would be even better (I don' think this has ever been used in any electoral system, coming more from the occupy movement. Any candidate would have to outscore the number of votes against it to still be live. - Whih might have given us a single referendum, as the no-changers could have voted against every option.

    New Plymouth • Since Jul 2011 • 143 posts Report Reply

  • stever@cs.waikato.ac.nz, in reply to Richard Grevers,

    Well...think back to 1992 and the MMP referendum...

    "Question One in the 1992 Referendum
    The first question asked voters if they wished to retain FPP or change electoral systems."

    Compare with

    "The first question would ask voters if they wished to retain the flag or change it."

    Hamilton • Since Nov 2006 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • chris, in reply to Richard Grevers,

    Labour’s proposal.

    Andrew Little said if the answer was no, then the money set aside for the 2nd referendum won't be spent.

    If it's yes, then the winner of the five designs will go up against the current flag early next year.

    Mawkland • Since Jan 2010 • 1302 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Richard Grevers,

    Au contraire, how can you have a meaningful vote on “do you want to change the flag?” if there’s no context of what it would change to?

    The context is self explanatory... Do you want to change the flag? means changing it to something other than the existing one... simple.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1386 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Alfie,

    To extend the analogy: the PM would then spend a ludicrous amount of time campaigning for his own personal preference (on the right, of course); and there would be a late additional option (after enough NZers had questioned whether this constituted a sober way of driving public debate, let alone a country) of driving really fast, but in a zigzag pattern.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1889 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to linger,

    To extend the analogy: the PM would then spend a ludicrous amount of time campaigning for his own personal preference...

    Blue cars drive on the right, red cars drive on the left?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1386 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Alfie,

    Either way, it's gonna be a bloody mess...

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1889 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Alfie,

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    It's taken me an age to get anywhere since they brought in that "red car gives way rule" a couple of years ago.

    I'm still saving to buy a green car.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5418 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    An OIA request by a private citizen reveals that Key texted Ritchie McCaw prior to the latter's backing of Key's call for a silver fern flag. The Herald duly reports...

    Yo Rich m8, its JK ;-) chk out my cool flg vid on the FB. Go ABs!

    But no, that's not actually what he said. The exact content of the text message is lost to history after Mr Key deleted the text message.

    Does anyone actually refer to "The Facebook"? And was that prior to Key being made aware that he was not allowed to delete texts? Oh wait... Wayne Eagleson explains.

    there were a number of text messages between Mr Key and Mr McCaw and it was unclear whether they would be classed as "official information".

    "Most were of a general nature (and not necessarily as Prime Minister) such as text messages from the Prime Minister stating 'good game'."

    So Key wasn't wearing his PM's hat again. Maybe he keeps it in a special box in the corner, for those odd times when affairs of state arise.

    The response to Ms Coleman's Official Information Act request also revealed the designer of two of the four-strong shortlist flags had lobbied Mr Key in recent years. It revealed Kyle Lockwood sent Mr Key versions of the flag which appeared in the shortlist, and fern lapel pins.

    There ain't nothing like opening up those direct lines of communication, eh.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1386 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Honestly, who, these days, deletes TXTs from their phone? They don't take up much room so the only reason would be, I believe, to hide something.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Matt Nippert - Flag process: Was it a spin job?

    Nearly a third of public submissions to the Government's flag consideration panel, all of them critical of the process and supporting the current ensign, were ignored in official reports and advertisements purporting to show public opinion.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1386 posts Report Reply

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