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  • simon g,

    Today "Let's Talk" about Israel Folau.

    And yes, they are saying exactly what you know they are saying, with exactly the same words, you don't need to spend a moment guessing. Bingo card filled before you start.

    In a primary school classroom, a good teacher will encourage creativity and originality, but not plagiarism and parroting. The Herald sets its sights lower than you would for 10 year olds.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1321 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to simon g,

    , a good teacher will encourage creativity and originality,

    Im not sure what to make of Rosemary McLeod and Morgan Begg applying the school teacher metaphor. They talk big ideas tho the application of them misses the serious of the issues, and why criticism of these people is relevant.
    Faux outrage at their perception of outrage, or a weird sympathy for an underdog that until recently was anything but an underdog. I guess RML is like a chiding priggish schoolmarm putting on superior airs to show she see and knows all, and 'your all behaving just like they used to', said with a hint of a knowing smirking humour.
    And Morgan Begg, well he is from a conservative Aussie think tank and they know all about totalitarianism because an obviously backward ball player is being hauled over the coals for displaying his stupidity in public

    Is there a naughty corner we can send these people, or maybe just not publish their nonsense anymore. Let them fume in their corner.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1881 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Public Address founder, Russell Brown has written a good article for the Spinoff.

    It’s a good look at the big social media platforms such as Twitter and Facebook.

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/partner/actionstation/12-04-2019/this-is-not-the-internet-you-promised-us/

    Some remedy ideas before going down the regulation of the Internet roadway: Education, thoughtful well designed education for children to prepare them to understand the digital environment. And especially that the big social media platforms are not all the internet is. There is quite a bit of education policy work going on in Wellington over the next year or two. I hope this gets factored in. I hope the next generation become rebuilders of the Internet, not just consumers of its commercial products.

    I greave the loss of all the creative potential the big social media giants have deprived us. It’s awful to see organisations that have had the resources to employ web designers, just give everything to Facebook.

    I don’t have a Facebook account so I only have an outside view of its capturing ability. It’s like the dark web to me. I can only see down a few inches until big banners hassle me to sign up. Twitter, just looks like a bunch of fragmented conversations – people retweeting things and the occasional link to something solid.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    Russell Brown has written a good article for the Spinoff.

    This near the end

    We’ve got to engage in a conversation about what sort of society we want

    We had better start working on a way to do this where there is none of the stratification now at epidemic proportions in society, no one comes at it with an agenda, and there is one there in bad faith. And if there is that group or person is pulled up quickly.
    And we better start working on it soon, and while we are doing it, business better be put on hold and no suffering be inflicted.
    Not a huge ask!

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1881 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to steven crawford,

    Some remedy ideas before going down the regulation of the Internet roadway: Education, thoughtful well designed education for children to prepare them to understand the digital environment. And especially that the big social media platforms are not all the internet is. There is quite a bit of education policy work going on in Wellington over the next year or two. I hope this gets factored in. I hope the next generation become rebuilders of the Internet, not just consumers of its commercial products.

    I think also that anti-trust law needs revisiting to break up too-big-to-fail monopolies & cartels. Facebook is as much a monopoly as NewsCorp. And lest we forget that cartels like IG Farben played a big part in the militarisation of the Third Reich.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5418 posts Report Reply

  • Moz,

    One thing that would help is just to flatly block any company that doesn’t comply with NZ law. I think failbook, google et al would be quite a lot more cautious if they got a reply from the AG to their “{name} granted name suppression” email saying “hey bro’s, how’s it going? Just letting you know that for 48 hours every IP your company owns is being blackholed in New Zealand. Best get a Yahoo account if you want to reply :)”


    It would be really inconvenient for a lot of kiwis, but after the first few times I'm sure we'd adjust.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1198 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Currently lead story on Herald/NZME website: Katie Hopkins being typically obnoxious about the massacres in Sri Lanka, with swipes at Ardern and various others.

    Not included in story: any reference to the same Katie Hopkins being a commentator on Newstalk ZB, AKA the Herald/NZME.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1321 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    The NZ Listener (and its German owners) don’t seem to be giving the current Govt or PM Jacinda Ardern much love or coverage I note.
    The Nats got plenty of covers and interviews and profiles during their Reign of Error but not so much for the Coalition…
    I wonder why that is…

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to simon g,

    the same Katie Hopkins being a commentator on Newstalk ZB,

    That was a plain lazy news item. Kate H had a snark at Jacinda on Twitter re her wearing a hijjab after the CHCH attacks in light of what happened in Sri Lanka. As if thats news!
    And as for NZME ripping/riffing off a song title for their latest ad campaign. Bunch of tossers, the lot of them. Dress in black all they like, its not going to make any of them cool.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1881 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    The Herald goes subscription next week, at $5 per week. Existing print subscribers to the Herald, "Northern Advocate" and four other regional titles will receive free access.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1386 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Happy World News Day everybody!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Anyone seen any happy world news?

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 310 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Interesting initiative announced today:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/112982552/new-public-media-fund-to-boost-regional-news-coverage

    The $1 million of public money being tipped into a pilot scheme to hire more reporters to cover local news around the country won't save media as we've known it, but it's a start.
    These reporters will go into places where the local newspaper is battling economic headwinds, and struggling to provide coverage of the depth previous generations of readers enjoyed.

    Sounds good, but I'm not seeing any mechanism that ensures editors will actually run the stories...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    RNZ’s story about it notes they already share content with a range of other publishers. I can’t see strapped media organisations turning up their noses at free stories.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to Sacha,

    I can’t see strapped media organisations turning up their noses at free stories.

    I can. You may have noticed in Australia recently that large chunks of the media became very explicitly partisan. There is no free anything that they would publish unless it suited their agenda (and in many cases they're not profitable anyway).

    But more broadly, stories no-one wants to read aren't worth the effort of adding to the outlet (even if free editorial-management is also provided), because zero extra attention divided by any amount of cost at all = zero return on investment.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1198 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Newshub (AM Show) are at it again.

    Previously a complaint was upheld against Newshub for their fake poll. They admitted it was rigged - they got spammed.

    Response: "As a result of this complaint the MediaWorks digital team is auditing the polling application."

    So today there's another "poll" and guess what? 87% (as of now) negative on the Budget. It rose rapidly in no time. It seems nothing has changed at MediaWorks.

    To be clear, I'm not shouting "Bias!". It's not even that. It's complete indifference to truth, and journalism. And it does matter (saying "I don't watch" is beside the point). The numbers are then used in wider news coverage. It's called a poll. It isn't a poll. It's a lie. And it's not good enough.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1321 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

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    @_chloeswarbrick
    That’s why the @NZGreens back civics education, de-centralisation of power, resourcing local communities, greater funding for public interest journalism and the diversification of our media.

    Thats what all the cool people are trending about on twitter. So yes, real journalism is pretty much fucked now.

    But there are some fascinating stories about Instagram “influencers” happening on social media, which have been reported on mainstream media which is really modern and awesome, like wow!

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

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    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to simon g,

    It’s called a poll. It isn’t a poll. It’s a lie. And it’s not good enough.

    I suspect the powers that be at TV3 think 'polling' is just cutting horns off
    - they don't want sheep or cows that can think or fight back...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    We could just buy our local metadata and the algorithms from the social media giants to find out what we think about things. Those TV3 polls are old fashioned.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Something the Greens and Labour party web sights have in commen, is they both have online souvenir shopping. They both have share tabs at the bottoms of their policy publications. Labour has a survey along with the usual Facebook, Twitter and Google+ tabs. The Greens only offer Facebook, Twitter and Google+. In case my my point isn’t clear. Read to the bottom of this page. Maybe you can spot the irony.

    And to spell it out, Social Media has been in the news quite a lot, and not a lot for being good for youth mental health, maybe just a little bit.

    The best way to communicate with your local MP, is by email to their official parliamentary email address.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    No mention of social media’s impact, negative or positive, in the Green Party policy on youth mental health. Which is odd, considering the massive impact this technology is having on human beings in the developed world.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

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