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  • simon g,

    Today "Let's Talk" about Israel Folau.

    And yes, they are saying exactly what you know they are saying, with exactly the same words, you don't need to spend a moment guessing. Bingo card filled before you start.

    In a primary school classroom, a good teacher will encourage creativity and originality, but not plagiarism and parroting. The Herald sets its sights lower than you would for 10 year olds.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1313 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to simon g,

    , a good teacher will encourage creativity and originality,

    Im not sure what to make of Rosemary McLeod and Morgan Begg applying the school teacher metaphor. They talk big ideas tho the application of them misses the serious of the issues, and why criticism of these people is relevant.
    Faux outrage at their perception of outrage, or a weird sympathy for an underdog that until recently was anything but an underdog. I guess RML is like a chiding priggish schoolmarm putting on superior airs to show she see and knows all, and 'your all behaving just like they used to', said with a hint of a knowing smirking humour.
    And Morgan Begg, well he is from a conservative Aussie think tank and they know all about totalitarianism because an obviously backward ball player is being hauled over the coals for displaying his stupidity in public

    Is there a naughty corner we can send these people, or maybe just not publish their nonsense anymore. Let them fume in their corner.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1868 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Public Address founder, Russell Brown has written a good article for the Spinoff.

    It’s a good look at the big social media platforms such as Twitter and Facebook.

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/partner/actionstation/12-04-2019/this-is-not-the-internet-you-promised-us/

    Some remedy ideas before going down the regulation of the Internet roadway: Education, thoughtful well designed education for children to prepare them to understand the digital environment. And especially that the big social media platforms are not all the internet is. There is quite a bit of education policy work going on in Wellington over the next year or two. I hope this gets factored in. I hope the next generation become rebuilders of the Internet, not just consumers of its commercial products.

    I greave the loss of all the creative potential the big social media giants have deprived us. It’s awful to see organisations that have had the resources to employ web designers, just give everything to Facebook.

    I don’t have a Facebook account so I only have an outside view of its capturing ability. It’s like the dark web to me. I can only see down a few inches until big banners hassle me to sign up. Twitter, just looks like a bunch of fragmented conversations – people retweeting things and the occasional link to something solid.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    Russell Brown has written a good article for the Spinoff.

    This near the end

    We’ve got to engage in a conversation about what sort of society we want

    We had better start working on a way to do this where there is none of the stratification now at epidemic proportions in society, no one comes at it with an agenda, and there is one there in bad faith. And if there is that group or person is pulled up quickly.
    And we better start working on it soon, and while we are doing it, business better be put on hold and no suffering be inflicted.
    Not a huge ask!

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1868 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to steven crawford,

    Some remedy ideas before going down the regulation of the Internet roadway: Education, thoughtful well designed education for children to prepare them to understand the digital environment. And especially that the big social media platforms are not all the internet is. There is quite a bit of education policy work going on in Wellington over the next year or two. I hope this gets factored in. I hope the next generation become rebuilders of the Internet, not just consumers of its commercial products.

    I think also that anti-trust law needs revisiting to break up too-big-to-fail monopolies & cartels. Facebook is as much a monopoly as NewsCorp. And lest we forget that cartels like IG Farben played a big part in the militarisation of the Third Reich.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5414 posts Report Reply

  • Moz,

    One thing that would help is just to flatly block any company that doesn’t comply with NZ law. I think failbook, google et al would be quite a lot more cautious if they got a reply from the AG to their “{name} granted name suppression” email saying “hey bro’s, how’s it going? Just letting you know that for 48 hours every IP your company owns is being blackholed in New Zealand. Best get a Yahoo account if you want to reply :)”


    It would be really inconvenient for a lot of kiwis, but after the first few times I'm sure we'd adjust.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1176 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Currently lead story on Herald/NZME website: Katie Hopkins being typically obnoxious about the massacres in Sri Lanka, with swipes at Ardern and various others.

    Not included in story: any reference to the same Katie Hopkins being a commentator on Newstalk ZB, AKA the Herald/NZME.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1313 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    The NZ Listener (and its German owners) don’t seem to be giving the current Govt or PM Jacinda Ardern much love or coverage I note.
    The Nats got plenty of covers and interviews and profiles during their Reign of Error but not so much for the Coalition…
    I wonder why that is…

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7866 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to simon g,

    the same Katie Hopkins being a commentator on Newstalk ZB,

    That was a plain lazy news item. Kate H had a snark at Jacinda on Twitter re her wearing a hijjab after the CHCH attacks in light of what happened in Sri Lanka. As if thats news!
    And as for NZME ripping/riffing off a song title for their latest ad campaign. Bunch of tossers, the lot of them. Dress in black all they like, its not going to make any of them cool.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1868 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    The Herald goes subscription next week, at $5 per week. Existing print subscribers to the Herald, "Northern Advocate" and four other regional titles will receive free access.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1366 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Happy World News Day everybody!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7866 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Anyone seen any happy world news?

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 310 posts Report Reply

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