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Hard News: The Digital Natives

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  • Sacha, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    Not so sure she’s a terrific ‘political operative’

    Did amazing work for Nurses Union, etc, and smartest tv commentary I've seen recently about the left. Could be a real unifier.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16741 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Is she digital?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8584 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16741 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    dunno. great question :)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16741 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to BenWilson,

    Is she digital?

    And

    Because he is Maori.

    Some times it’s hard to read if you are just taking the piss, or that you actually have a glitch in your world view.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2751 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to steven crawford,

    In Horan's case, I'm taking the piss. In Harre's case, it's a genuine question.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8584 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to BenWilson,

    I think She has legal expertise.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2751 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson, in reply to BenWilson,

    Is she digital?

    Ten times over!

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 277 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Greg Dawson,

    Decadigital!!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8584 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson, in reply to BenWilson,

    And that's without even taking her shoes off - she's perfect!

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 277 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Laila Harre.

    I think that’s a bit of a win.

    Big win. She has left-wing cred – NDU, Green Party and the ILO in Fiji(!) in the past few years. But she also ran the HR part of the Auckland Transition Agency, bringing the old councils’ staff in the new Auckland Council structure, which must have been a very demanding role. . She’s a business owner. And, of course, she’s been an MP.

    I’m genuinely impressed. Caveat: she doesn’t seem to stay anywhere for long.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18957 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    But what on earth does she have to do with the Internet?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8584 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to BenWilson,

    They could have had that Al Gore*


    Non-NZ citizenship notwithstanding. Why do we have these silly restrictions?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4463 posts Report Reply

  • Andrew Geddis, in reply to BenWilson,

    But what on earth does she have to do with the Internet?

    I'm not sure the Internet Party has anything to do with the Internet. What makes you think that it does?

    More seriously, this rather upends the idea that Dotcom had pwned the MANA Movement. It looks more like the MANA Movement (and its sympathisers helping organise the Internet Party) have pwned Dotcom.

    (See how I used interweb speak to put my point of view?)

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2007 • 142 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Andrew Geddis,

    What makes you think that it does?

    Yes, on the day, the internet was the pwn.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8584 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Andrew Geddis,

    Why should Dotcom and Mana have divergent agendas? There seems to be an assumption that they do, because of their very different backgrounds, but has any indication come from Dotcom that he's got a bunch of hideously reactionary policies he's going to enact just as soon as he finally achieves unfettered power?

    One might think that Dotcom would want "business friendly" policies, but such policies aren't really needed by a company like Mega. He doesn't have any need to employ cheap labour, he should still be able to make a lot of money* under a fair tax system and I don't think he needs to desecrate any pristine wilderness.

    In many ways, a straight-up business is better off with a leftist government. You haven't got to compete with other businesses in tax avoidance, or to spend money and time persuading politicians to channel the pork your way.

    * Assuming it's actually possible to make any money at all, long term, from a business based on buying expensive disk and bandwidth and giving it away below cost. Ahem.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4463 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Andrew Geddis,

    It looks more like the MANA Movement (and its sympathisers helping organise the Internet Party) have pwned Dotcom.

    Not sure. Maybe he got what he wanted out of it all. I doubt he’d be parting with massive cash otherwise. But if so, it seems like the Internet Party is something of a sham. Harre will hopefully set the record straight on her commitment to such core principles as universal free UFB, and a new submarine cable, and copyrights. If she picks out only the stuff that is pretty much in agreement with Mana, then basically it is Mana. I’d expect Mana voters to vote for it. Or more likely to vote for Mana.

    ETA: Which, considering the vote sharing, is basically the same thing. They have the same party list. I'm currently still WTFing about the whole thing. If Mana has done any outsmarting, it would appear to be of themselves.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8584 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed,

    If it's not Laila Harre in the end, then the media have just done a Dewey Defeats Truman.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4351 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to BenWilson,

    But what on earth does she have to do with the Internet?

    Did you read the policy principles? I think she can work with that.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18957 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Did you read the policy principles?

    Of the IP? Yes.

    I think she can work with that

    I'm sure she can. I just don't see what she brings to whatever it is that is actually different between the Internet Party and Mana. If there is nothing, then my comment that it's a sham stands. And who do they think they're fooling? I get a real impression that they've talked themselves into thinking this is a much cleverer move than it actually is. As if the minor surprise value of Harre jumping in makes up for the fact that in the world of the internet, and technology generally, she's a complete nobody.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8584 posts Report Reply

  • AlistairC,

    Surprised? I'm completely gutted!
    I signed up Laila to the Labour Party many moons ago... I was delighted that we were finally back in the same Green waka... and she jumps ship again! That'll take some getting used to.
    But it certainly makes the "Reddit Karma" party (thank you Civilian) a going concern. I've always thought that NZ needed a parliamentary party to the left of the Greens and Labour... I thought it might be Laila's Alliance, back when she ditched Jim... If this gets more people to vote, it could be a game changer.

    France • Since Sep 2008 • 9 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Withers,

    I’m one of those who sees Dotcom as a flawed person in many ways, while also recognising that to greater or lesser extents we are ALL flawed people. What I am absolutely grateful to him for is exposing the extent to which our own government was turning a blind eye to the law governing spying on us all. Further, he exposed the extent to which our own government allows other governments to spy on us all…and do it with impunity.

    Give the guy a medal. He’s done more for the cause of civil liberties in NZ than anyone else in recent times, despite the fact the government responded by eroding our freedoms even further. At least we now see them for what they really are.

    But I’ll be voting Green because they are the only major party that hasn’t sold out on exactly these issue. Sue Bradford, Keith Locke and the other Green MPs past, present and deceased – Rod Donald – have been our consistent champions for the past 25 years. I respect and support that.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 280 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Steve Withers,

    the verte jewel party

    Green MPs past, present and deceased – Rod Donald – have been our consistent champions for the past 25 years. I respect and support that.

    Like minded individuals (in the Banks Peninsula area) take note :The Rod Donald Trust is looking for trustees.
    (till June 6)

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 5046 posts Report Reply

  • Andrew Geddis, in reply to BenWilson,

    I’m sure she can. I just don’t see what she brings to whatever it is that is actually different between the Internet Party and Mana. If there is nothing, then my comment that it’s a sham stands.

    I don't think anyone would claim that Harre was chosen to drive IP policy development in the IT/tech freedom area. I think the idea more is that she'll front that policy as developed by others, will manage the relationship with MANA and bring a general measure of competence and professionalism to the enterprise. Those political skills are why she's there, not her internet learnings.

    Does this make the exercise a "sham"? Well, political reality is that without a tie-in with the MANA Movement, the IP isn't going to get into Parliament. And without getting into Parliament, the exercise is a futile one. So stepping back and looking at this in terms of pure power dynamics, MANA actually held more cards in this liaison than did the IP. So if the price of a deal was choosing a leader that the MANA Movement could recognise as "one of us", then the IP pretty much had to pay it.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2007 • 142 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    And if Dot Com ends up languishing in an American prison, he will leave a legacy here in New Zealand, that is more than just bits and bites. And let's not forget that this is not Kim Dot Com's party. It is a political party that has a wealthy patron much like the act party, as Russell pointed out.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2751 posts Report Reply

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