OnPoint: Dear Labour Caucus
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Sacha, in reply to
Thanks. Here's my question from today.
insensitive to socioeconomic privilege, its vocabulary and its nuances
Practical request: can you please link to a forum that you reckon does a good job with that.
Also trying to find an earlier one upthread.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
We normally just call it “Interfaith”, but I can see why people might like a noun. It is basically what it sounds like: people from different religions talking to each other.
This might sound rather odd coming from me, but I can “dialogue” with people of other faiths without a shadow cabinet portfolio or ministerial warrant attached. I’d actually argue that people of faith are the very people who should be most invested in Church (and synagogue and mosque and temple) and State keeping a wary but civil separation.
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Sacha, in reply to
and here's the earlier question, similarly seeking clarification (and responding in passing to the exasperation you expressed).
identifying progressivism or the Left with Labour/the Greens means reducing the aspirations of anybody below the middle class to whatever those two parties define as thinkable and achievable in real world terms. This is incredibly limiting.
Please do suggest which other significant political movements/actors you believe we're overlooking. The thread was pretty clearly focused on political parties, and you mentioned unions earlier but if there are others then name them so we can better understand your despair.
Thanks again.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
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Practical request: can you please link to a forum that you reckon does a good job with that.
Not a current generalist forum, no, not in English at least. One can find excellent and highly accessible writing outside of socialist discussion forums (Scott Hamilton at Reading the Maps and Dougal McNeill at Neu Hauf-Way Hoose are foremost in New Zealand in my books) but no model of what I'm thinking of. Of course there aren't very many open communities a-la PAS to begin with, which is rather the problem. However Usenet had some class-literate politically focussed groups back in the day, and it really shouldn't be an impossible thing to countenance. So long as the lack of that dimension on PAS is even perceived as a problem, and I'm not at all sure that it is.
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Sacha, in reply to
I can “dialogue” with people of other faiths without a shadow cabinet portfolio or ministerial warrant attached
Perhaps some sort of counter to the expected strenghtening of the Conservative Party over the next few years? Or a reflection of feedback from some Pacific voters, even?
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Isaac Freeman, in reply to
I’d actually argue that people of faith are the very people who should be most invested in Church (and synagogue and mosque and temple) and State keeping a wary but civil separation.
Yes, agreed. I'm comfortable with Labour's involvement in Interfaith as a party, but I'm unclear on how that would remain a good thing in government. Thus far, our main interaction has been via the Human Rights Commission, which seems a sensible arrangement to me.
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Sacha, in reply to
Some years back Znet seemed good on providing the discussion-starters but I'm not sure I'd really characterise it as a community.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
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Please do suggest which other significant political movements/actors you believe we're overlooking. The thread was pretty clearly focused on political parties, and you mentioned unions earlier but if there are others then name them so we can better understand your despair.
Mana, the Poverty Action Group, the Alternative Welfare Working Group, the unions with a community outreach, socialist organisations, the Greens when they feel like it. As you'd know disability advocacy groups tend to become quite conscious of class divides. But yeah, there is stuff out there, just not a lot of it - as per the Bruce Jesson quote I think I snuck in there somewhere. However it is very important not to mistake lack of representation with lack of a constituency. Even from the very narrow viewpoint of party politics, it pays to remember that a full third of eligible voters didn't vote.
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Sacha, in reply to
However it is very important not to mistake lack of representation with lack of a constituency.
Especially in disability politics, I hear you.
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George Darroch, in reply to
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There's also the The Social Justice Commission of the Anglican Church of Aotearoa & Polynesia, whose activists proved problematic for the Greens during the campaign. Your point is that they are 'movements', rather than parties, and thus are usually seen as outside the sphere of legitimate political debate; while the pronouncements of the Business Roundtable and various other groups are accorded large amounts of space.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
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Nice website design, srsly..
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Cecelia, in reply to
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Great looking website: much to read.
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Jeremy Eade, in reply to
I was suprised he (Cunliffe) lived in Herne Bay. New Lynn rocks. He really should live there.
Surely an M.P should live in their patch.
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Islander, in reply to
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Tell that to dipton-double-dipper Blinglish-
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No I realise he's not the only one, but Herne Bay, live in New Lynn. There's some great houses in New Lynn.
Your local member of parliament who isn't at all local. John Key should live in Helensville too.
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Islander, in reply to
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Your local member of parliament who isn’t at all local
Um, if you're referring to my local MP, that's Rino Tirikatene - and he's definitely local in the Tai Toka electorate...
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There’s some great houses in New Lynn.
There are some wonderful residences, with incredible harbour views, just minutes from the airport by motorway.
Goff's non-residence wasn't a great look either for a man who claimed to be of the people. Yet Key's absconding gave him one of the largest majorities in in the country. Perhaps I'm out of touch.
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Jeremy Eade, in reply to
Well that's they way it should be. Is he reachable?
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Islander, in reply to
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Totally. Sent out a calendar to all his possible constituents (=everyone on the Te Tai Toka roll) with his email on it. I tried it. Answer within an hour.
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Jeremy Eade, in reply to
Well. I want a calender.
and North Korea has a slim chance of freedom before Xmas.
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Islander, in reply to
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You're on the Tai Toka roll?
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Islander, in reply to
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Or of the whole north & south of it blowing up-
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Jeremy Eade, in reply to
absolutely, North Korea is a time bomb, but always the optimist.
and "good grace", what an old fashioned word. Russell is such an old school gentleman. But our best reporter.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
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Aren’t I allowed to be ageist at my age?
Yes go for it. Be yourself. Take the bull by the horns and be normal. I know from whence you see him, but bear in mind, with age comes wisdom. Wisdom you say? Did you know that Sofie means wisdom. Jus' sayin' ;)
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
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Is he reachable?
Goff is . Street corners. His office, 5 minutes from my front door.Go in unannounced. Get a meeting.. Jackie Blue, 5 minutes from my front door. Never seen it open.
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