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Up Front: Respectably-Dressed Sensible Demure Lady Stroll

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  • recordari, in reply to Sacha,

    something not safe for work :)

    NSFW is a much better name for a cocktail. Just sayin'.

    ETA: We just turned Emma's thread into Twitter. Oops.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    So happy that I may just have to do my headbanging dance

    Headbanging. To Wham.


    Somehow, I think a few memos have been missed.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2929 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to nzlemming,

    this is special headbanging - there's alot of flicking of hair and groovy head action

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __,

    Everyone secretly likes Wham.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3887 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to recordari,

    ETA: We just turned Emma's thread into Twitter. Oops.

    And I said there was no WIN on the internet...

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Headbanging. To Wham.

    Fortunately for the uninitiated, there’s this helpful video demonstration.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • webweaver, in reply to recordari,

    Crikey!

    If we all practice real hard and get those moves nailed we could have a PAS-Glee-style-FlashMob-for-WHAM! and it would be awesome.

    ...although, the "one potato two potato" move with knocked knees at the same time looks a leeetle bit tricky....

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 331 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to webweaver,

    If we all practice real hard and get those moves nailed we could have a PAS-Glee-style-FlashMob-for-WHAM! and it would be awesome.

    Can I play the blonde coach lady?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10629 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    a city in denial...

    there is no WIN

    just thinking this could be a nice
    sign for that Wellington Hillside...
    ...with a fallen 'D' at the end
    (just as the Hollywood one lost
    its terminating 'LAND' early on...)

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7881 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    (just as the Hollywood one lost
    its terminating 'LAND' early on...)

    I don't know, WINDLAND has a certain appeal, with both literal and figurative relevance.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to recordari,

    WINDLAND

    likes

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19667 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    a lot of flicking of hair and groovy head action

    And, well, that doesn't sound like George Michael's style at all .

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1885 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I’ve been thinking about what’s so wrong about comparing rape prevention with theft prevention (not walking home alone is like locking your car, etc.)

    They're fundamentally different actions. You have the right not to have your property interfered with, but no fundamental right to leave it unlocked - it's just common sense.

    Being able to dress in a particular way and drink alcohol (and not be raped) are basic freedom of expression and movement rights, on top of the right not to be raped. We shouldn't deprive potential rape victims of the right to dress in ways that show off their body, or have too much to drink (or, be in their home with someone that they know) because there are rapists.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Kyle Matthews,

    Being able to dress in a particular way and drink alcohol (and not be raped) are basic freedom of expression and movement rights, on top of the right not to be raped. We shouldn't deprive potential rape victims of the right to dress in ways that show off their body, or have too much to drink (or, be in their home with someone that they know) because there are rapists.

    Hinemoana Baker linked yesterday to the famous Boys Beware film, the one that compares male homosexuality with smallpox. But it occurred to me that same producers also made a Girls Beware video, which is just as notable for how comparably less outrageous it seems, in that it frames a woman's safety with common sense measures to reduce risk, like the Lisa ad. Another way of reading that of course is that while perceptions of male homosexuality have changed a lot in the last half century, in the case of women and rape and safety... not so much.

    So, topically: Girls Beware (1961).

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    I may just have to do my headbanging dance

    Jackie it's Wham so that should be handbagbanging

    ... living up to my role as a hater

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4449 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    Another way of reading that of course is that while perceptions of male homosexuality have changed a lot in the last half century, in the case of women and rape and safety… not so much.

    The cultural prejudices embedded into Sid Davis’s cautionary films are a thing to marvel at. He was the permanently alarmed and fearful father of a girl. In his first film, The Dangerous Stranger, children who paid no heed to their parents’ warnings were kidnapped by strangers and never seen again. (Davis was so obsessed by this theme that he made The Dangerous Stranger three times.)

    Sometimes, the dangers were more prosaic: in Live and Learn, Davis’s own daughter played a little girl who ran with scissors and was impaled.

    But the one place where there was never any peril – unlike, say, the real world – was within the family itself. And as you correctly observe, there are parts of that giant hairball of prejudice that are washing out even now.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22743 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Russell Brown,

    But the one place where there was never any peril – unlike, say, the real world – was within the family itself.

    Or church, one assumes.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Russell Brown,

    But the one place where there was never any peril – unlike, say, the real world – was within the family itself.

    Because nuclear families never have their 3 Mile Islands, right?

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5414 posts Report Reply

  • Sue,

    Note first: My discussion of this film & the links may act as triggers for people, so don;t read on, or emma edit this if you feel appropriate.

    In watching a Jodie foster film on TV. I'm reminded of 'The Accused' which she won an academy award for, it's from 1998, it was really groundbreaking at the time in how it dealt with rape, but also in the relationship between 2 women from 2 very different backgrounds after the rape.

    In looking up the details online i came across rogert ebert's review
    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19881014/REVIEWS/810140301/1023

    here's his first paragraph -
    The Accused" demonstrates that rape victims often are suspects in their own cases. Surely they must have been somehow to blame. How were they behaving at the time of the crime? How were they dressed? Had they been drinking? Is their personal life clean and tidy? Or are they sluts who were just asking for it? I am aware of the brutal impact of the previous sentence. But the words were carefully chosen, because sometimes they reflect the unspoken suspicions of officials in the largely male judicial system.

    That's 1998, and we are in 2011, and that paragraph does not sound out of date or out of time.

    :/

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 527 posts Report Reply

  • Kate Hannah, in reply to Sue,

    I'm at work, working (natch) so didn't listen to it, but Katherine Ryan did a ghastly intro on monring report about what was coming up on nine to noon - something about new research into the use of date-rape drugs than seemed to boil down to "it's the way the girls are drinking." I may have shouted "no, it's the way the rapists are raping" out loud. Please someone who listened to Nine to Noon fill me/us in on the report.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2010 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    on subject: why Stuff.co.nz is advertising the biography of an American nutbar's daughter is beyond me, but... warning on content for how she lost virginity to that sterling chap levi johnston.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    Back to slutwalk, I'm somewhat disappointed because I had sort of rounded up a number of us decidedly middle aged women to march. But it appears I have a date with a very special dog on that day, so it looks like I won't be there.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Kate Hannah,

    Please someone who listened to Nine to Noon fill me/us in on the report

    Sorry, I thought the same as you when I heard the promo and turned it off. You can download it here if you want to hear it.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2929 posts Report Reply

  • Susan Snowdon,

    I didn't hear the promo but I did listen to Kathryn Ryan's interview. I thought that the interviewees pointed out simply that a lot of sexual abuse was associated with excessive alcohol consumption . Which it is - fact. Just saying. They were also at pains to emphasise that they were not blaming victims or casting them as agents of their own misfortune. They mentioned the issue of other drugs (prescription or recreational) interacting with alcohol to increase intoxication, and the effect of this on recall and consent. I couldn't see any reason to hate on the interview really.

    Since Mar 2008 • 110 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Susan Snowdon,

    I couldn’t see any reason to hate on the interview really

    It’s still wrong to rape drunk people.

    When the discussion is all about the intoxication, the point of the rape is minimised.

    ETA I'm glad to hear, though, that they weren't into blaming the victims, but it is avoiding the major issue.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2929 posts Report Reply

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