Up Front: Eat Up Your Brothelly
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"No touching the pussy"
Word! That is just wrong.
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People paying people for sex = degrading to people?
As suggested by some of the earlier comments here, actually paying for it could in many cases mean upgrading, rather than degrading.
Also, belated respect to Mr Challinor for his poetic contribution. Glad I wasn't the only one to spot the stealthy budgie/judgy rhyme. But possibly the only one to be immediately haunted by the mental image of a certain MP in his budgie-judgypants.
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Word! That is just wrong.
I couldn't get past this sentence:
His wife, Stephanie, who has a daughter from a previous relationship, was appalled by the attack.
What does the daughter have to do with the story? Was she dropped in a bin as well?
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I could never get this. Why would it be degrading? I mean so long as neither party feels that way.
Yes, I'd agree with that caveat in principle. Although in real life? How would you know how the person you are paying for sex feels about the transaction. And what circumstances put them in that situation?
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Syzygy - a print magazine featuring pictorial stories of gay erotica, aimed at women
Ooooh, yes ma'am, that is right up my alley. Astro-porn for the ladies!
Consisting of, presumably, "the nearly straight-line configuration of three celestial bodies [...] in a gravitational system", i.e. a trio of incredibly hot astronomer guys doing it, or trying to, on a waterbed.
I'll just shuffle over and join David H in the obscure tastes corner...
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Word! That is just wrong.
Jesus Christ on a stick! Absolute cruelty. What is wrong with these people?
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Syzygy? Sounds more like a magazine for women who get excited when they win at Scrabble.
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And what circumstances put them in that situation?
What makes people want to be dentists? In all seriousness.
Most jobs can be looked at as a form of exploitation. Because they are. And some of them more than others - factory work, farming, prostitution - are carried out sometimes by actual slaves, but the stigma that remains attached to prostitution is always greater than that of other jobs that people sometimes do under lesser or greater duress. So again I'd have to ask you - why? What is it that makes to you prostitution different?
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Most jobs can be looked at as a form of exploitation... So again I'd have to ask you - why? What is it that makes to you prostitution different?
All good points. Maybe I have a blinkered view of prostitution. Maybe it really is a free choice on the level of choosing to be a dentist. Maybe there really are prostitutes that have other options, but choose this line of work instead.
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Maybe there really are prostitutes that have other options, but choose this line of work instead.
I believe it is rather well documented, yes.
Syzygy? Sounds more like a magazine for women who get excited when they win at Scrabble.
Still way more erotic than Filament.
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...carrying a big stick?
(Frankly if souls were actually a saleable commodity they'd have to get in the cue behind me to get cash money for something I have never used.)
cue the ever-prompt pedant patrol...
...and a line-up of the usual suspects,
well, cue is within cooee of queue...
a soupcon of similarity...I'm seriously curious whether there would be any resemblance at all between Pammy's and regular hetero brothel.
...and how is a women paying for a little ass in a he-whorehouse (or boydello) not regular hetero?
(interestingly brothel originally had a meaning of "worthless man" in late Middle English)just the facts madam...
You could argue whether that's really a documentary, but it seems they don't intend to make something ghastly.
...insomuch as it would be "using pictures or interviews with people involved in real events to provide a factual record or report" it would be a documentary - and would have to be a peg above Britain's Worst Teeth and similar rubbish...
Windows - there is a DOS house over yonder...
I've often thought that they should have a brothel where the sex workers dress up as 'windows' from the television programme Play School. The round window, the square window, the arch window, the triangle window, and so on.
David, you could get in a jamb with this idea... though the idea of Platonic Solace has its merits, like the Play School door, it will have its knockers...
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I think some of the would-be clients might feel demeaned when it came time to hand over their credit cards.
I wonder if it's not so much demeaned you'd feel, as "Crap. Yet another service I'm apparently paying a woman-tax for, since it costs me twice as much as a bloke would pay for the same thing (see also haircuts, shoes, underwear, dry cleaning etc)."
Factor in the pay-inequity pink-collar dollar and make that three times as much.
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You may be almost 100% sure, but you are 100% wrong.
Perfectly prepared to accept that. The three other people I asked had the same feeling I did, that things had been changed, but it wasn't anything we could put a finger on. So to speak.
Maybe there really are prostitutes that have other options, but choose this line of work instead.
Not maybe, Martin. There ARE. That's as inarguable as there being people in sex work who are there because they have no other options. But my Favourite Sex Worker has two degrees and a decently-earning spouse. Well-educated articulate sex-workers aren't exactly hard to find on the net.
For an interesting perspective on 'options', try this read from Jill Brennerman.
My journey into and out of sex work is unique. My first experience in sex work lasted 3 years. I was (literally) a sex slave: no safe words were needed, and I didn’t even know safe words existed. I was coerced.
10 years after I was trafficked, I returned to sex work as a stripper. While I worked occasionally at clubs, I mostly did outcall bachelor’s parties. The agent got 40 percent, I got 60 percent. That’s 60 percent more than when I was a sex trafficking victim.
Later still, I gave up on stripping and went to work on my own as an independent escort. I was my own boss and there were no comparable problems. No one hurt me, I set my own boundaries, I got paid what I asked for—all 100 percent of it.
While it wasn’t the greatest job in the world, it was work; it was nothing like my coerced experience. Anti-trafficking activists like Donna M. Hughes, anti-pornography activists like Gail Dines and Shelly Lubben, anti-prostitution activists like Melissa Farley willfully ignore this fact: there is a world of difference between being a sex trafficking victim and being a sex worker.
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Maybe there really are prostitutes that have other options, but choose this line of work instead.
I believe it is rather well documented, yes.
Alright, and if I were to purchase sex how do I go about ascertaining that the person I'm buying from is one of these free-choice prostitutes. As opposed to some Lilya 4-ever slave?
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Still obsessing on the economics... a quick market-sizing exercise suggests that Pammy's would, ah, saturate its market pretty quickly.
Unless it deliberately seeks out the tourist dollar. But it's an awfully long way to fly for a bonk, unless you're just coming from Sydney for a naughty weekend (I guess that's what you'd call a flying fuck).
Thing is, you need a fair few Rotary dinners and Kiwanis breakfasts on weekdays to keep the place open for the big-ticket weddings on the weekend, just to use a service industry analogy I'm familiar with.
I wonder if they'll offer early bird discounts for students and pensioners. Particularly since this strikes me as the sort of service that when you need it, you probably can't afford it, and when you can afford it, you probably don't need it.
And/or will they offer gift vouchers? Sweet sixteen! Post-breakup cheer-up pressie! Happy 80th birthday Nana! (Women, after all, Live To Shop and also Treat Themselves to Goodies, so in that regard the enterprise simply cannot fail.)
I think I'll put my pennies in a jar till they introduce the Two-fer Tuesday. And get a bloke in who's really, really, really stunningly good at Scrabble.
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Syzygy? Sounds more like a magazine for women who get excited when they win at Scrabble.
I think you'll find that magazine is called Quixotry.
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Not maybe, Martin. There ARE. That's as inarguable as there being people in sex work who are there because they have no other options. But my Favourite Sex Worker has two degrees and a decently-earning spouse. Well-educated articulate sex-workers aren't exactly hard to find on the net
Yes, I expressed myself badly. I'm sure there are sex workers with degrees who can express themselves well on the internet. But surely that's a biased selection.
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Alright, and if I were to purchase sex how do I go about ascertaining that the person I'm buying from is one of these free-choice prostitutes. As opposed to some Lilya 4-ever slave?
Here, I'd start with the Prostitutes Collective. Ask them who the good employers are. Alternately, find a small 'collective' brothel, you know, one of those terrible suburban brothels where three or four women work together out of the same house.
Talk to the woman. Does she seem happy, petrified, miserable, bored? Is anyone getting very loomy because you're talking to her?
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Syzygy? Sounds more like a magazine for women who get excited when they win at Scrabble.
It was the title of an X Files episode. That's all I know about it.
What makes people want to be dentists? In all seriousness.
Well, I'm going with the idea behind this:
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But surely that's a biased selection.
Of course it is. The point was that there ARE people who are sex workers by free choice. That appeared to be the point you were arguing against.
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Oh, and further. I'm not aware of anything operating here, but the Sex Workers' Outreach Program in the States runs 'seminars for johns' on just those issues. How to tell if your sex worker is coerced (in Britain, it's simpler: legally, if your sex worker has an accent, they're trafficked), and etiquette - how your sex worker would like you to treat hir. They started doing this because there was a demand.
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And get a bloke in who's really, really, really stunningly good at Scrabble.
It has just been pointed out to me that what I am really looking for is a bloke who is just slightly less brilliant than me at Scrabble.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go and beat somebody.
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Alright, and if I were to purchase sex how do I go about ascertaining that the person I'm buying from is one of these free-choice prostitutes.
They're the ones offering their services outside Trade Aid.
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in Britain, it's simpler: legally, if your sex worker has an accent, they're trafficked
Damn. That rules out the Ewan McGregor look-and-sound-alike.
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Of course it is. The point was that there ARE people who are sex workers by free choice. That appeared to be the point you were arguing against.
Well, not really. Maybe I should have expressed that differently. As in: Maybe most sex workers have other options, but choose this line of work instead.
Anyhoo, I'm just not comfortable with the notion that buying sex is simply another monetary transaction.
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