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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • JLM, in reply to izogi,

    Thank you, that's it. Another middle of the night thought that came to me is to wonder how many journalists and general media people are supporting the anti-Hager push because they are compromised in the same way that Slater, Lush and Carrick Graham enable.

    Like others I find it distressing to read about such hatred, it always makes me think of ee cummings and "hate is why men breathe". That was in a poem in memory of his father, so here's a bit of it in memory of Jack Shallcrass, another good man.

    then let men kill which cannot share,
    let blood and flesh be mud and mire,
    scheming imagine,passion willed,
    freedom a drug that’s bought and sold

    giving to steal and cruel kind,
    a heart to fear,to doubt a mind,
    to differ a disease of same,
    conform the pinnacle of am

    though dull were all we taste as bright,
    bitter all utterly things sweet,
    maggoty minus and dumb death
    all we inherit,all bequeath

    and nothing quite so least as truth
    —i say though hate were why men breathe—
    because my Father lived his soul
    love is the whole and more than all

    Judy Martin's southern sl… • Since Apr 2007 • 238 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    And on TV3's "The Nation", Cameron Slater accidentally incriminates Judith Collins, confirming her "leak" and contradicting her earlier denials.

    That's the lead story, right there.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1244 posts Report Reply

  • Cecelia, in reply to JLM,

    Thanks for the poem. Comforting after finishing the book.

    Trying not to hate the perpetrators who seem to detest most of their fellow NZers.

    Hibiscus Coast • Since Apr 2008 • 559 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Easterbrook,

    In a weird way, I feel sorry for them. How exactly does someone like Slater or Odgers end up such an angry, toxic person? At what point do you lose your empathy, and stop seeing the people and only see the politics? It's sad.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 262 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    It's not even politics, it's pure us vs them, which has a long and dishonourable history. Person x is on the other team (whether that's within the nats or outside) and is therefore scum and not worthy of any respect whatsoever.

    One hateful team pretty much inevitably gives rise to its opposite, and it's hard not to respond to it all by picking up a pitchfork and wading in. Hager's done a masterful job of keeping a tone of measured disapproval throughout the book. I think he's right in that the whole thing poisons the well, and makes politics only possible for those with the spoons to engage on that level, turning off the majority of us who don't think calling people c****s etc is acceptable political discourse. But how else do you shut it down? I don't have an answer.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 974 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    It's a bit apocalyptic, but this is nicely put:

    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 974 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Mark Easterbrook,

    In a weird way, I feel sorry for them. How exactly does someone like Slater or Odgers end up such an angry, toxic person? At what point do you lose your empathy, and stop seeing the people and only see the politics? It’s sad.

    Narcissism and entitlement are likely factors. In the case of Slater, he's slipped a few rungs on the social ladder and scapegoats the reds/greens/blacks/browns/pinks/ (__insert sterotypical political colour here) for holding him back.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5380 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Scott Yorke nails it nicely.
    Cameron Slater is the real victim

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1342 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens, in reply to Alfie,

    I see Slater is going into his grab bag of diversions he deploys when he is feeling the heat and claiming he has had death threats. Poor widdle Cam, he is the real victim here!

    But haven't we heard this from Slater before?

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2193 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Attachment

    Any one with a hard copy out there…
    Can you tell me what the cover illustration is of?

    I’ve been squinting and turning and twisting…
    best I can come up with is that this is showing deterioration caused by toxic elements, rust, oxidation, corrosion…
    …though there were moments when I saw a close-up of the grassy knoll shooter, with a host of Lou Reeds in the top right corner – or the Turin Shroud – and that can’t be right!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7701 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    I see Slater is going into his grab bag of diversions he deploys when he is feeling the heat and claiming he has had death threats.

    And as a bonus diversionary tactic, why not pin the "torrent of death threats" on Nicky Hager.

    He believed Hager would not take responsibility for those threats

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1342 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    OK, did I hear Slater correctly on the radio just now .... not only did he take Labour party membership information, but he stole credit card data too?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2575 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Can you tell me what the cover illustration is of?

    I don't have a hard copy yet but it appears to be a generic background image.

    http://www.tworoadsbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Book-club-background5-copy.jpg

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1342 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    The Herald, in the shell of the nut ...

    "Slater receives death threats", but ...

    "Hager claims" ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1244 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    The thing of course is that IF Slater is receiving death threats it's because of his actions, the fact that Hager has made those actions public if neither here nor there.

    Coming from the National right being personally responsible for your own actions is a big part of the ethos, Slater had better get with the program and stop tryin to blame others for hos own mistakes

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2575 posts Report Reply

  • william blake, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Ian, it's paint flaking off an institutionally painted wall. But I enjoy the host of Lou Reeds in the top corner, (I think Lou used to quote the ," best lack all conviction" in his concerts)

    Since Mar 2010 • 363 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Any one with a hard copy out there…
    Can you tell me what the cover illustration is of?

    I think it's moldy paint peeling on a concrete wall, although I too though of Lou Reed when I got my copy.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2893 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    John Armstrong has written a surprisingly well-balanced piece in today's Herald.

    Vilification of author revives Muldoon-era tactics

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1342 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Alfie,

    I don’t have a hard copy yet but it appears to be a generic background image.

    So it is. Google images is a wonderful tool. And Potton is once again unimaginative [sigh]

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2893 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to simon g,

    And on TV3’s “The Nation”, Cameron Slater accidentally incriminates Judith Collins, confirming her “leak” and contradicting her earlier denials.

    That’s the lead story, right there.

    The Herald article says:

    Ms Collins yesterday confirmed she had given Mr Pleasants' name to Slater.

    "What I was asked for was the name and the title of the guy and that's publicly available and I've simply given him that," she told NewstalkZB.

    Nation isn't available yet, so what did Slater say that contradicted that?

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2893 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Alfie,

    John Armstrong has written a surprisingly well-balanced piece in today’s Herald.

    Somebody must be dosing his feed...

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2893 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY, in reply to nzlemming,

    Nation isn’t available yet, so what did Slater say that contradicted that?

    The interview is here.

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to ScottY,

    The interview is here.

    Thank you, Scott. Yer a gent.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2893 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to nzlemming,

    So it is.
    Google images is a wonderful tool.
    And Potton is once again unimaginative [sigh]

    I couldn't make Google image work that way, had to use tineye. to find it here. *

    What's more it's a foreign photo
    of a foreign distressed wall!

    What about work for our local walls?
    Stand up for the Great Kiwi Divide!

    * as did Alfie, earlier...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7701 posts Report Reply

  • Bruce Ward, in reply to nzlemming,

    John Armstrong has written a surprisingly well-balanced piece in today’s Herald.

    Somebody must be dosing his feed...

    No, No. Someone is too busy claiming "Nothing to see here. Move along" to continue dosing his feed!

    Nelson • Since Jul 2011 • 30 posts Report Reply

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