Hard News by Russell Brown

Read Post

Hard News: Dirty Politics

2257 Responses

First ←Older Page 1 17 18 19 20 21 91 Newer→ Last

  • DexterX,

    For the Nats the response is cods wallop - however - the cod that Key and Collins have been walloping belongs to Whale Oil.

    Wallop Wallop Wallop

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1223 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX, in reply to Mark Easterbrook,

    At what point do you lose your empathy, and stop seeing the people and only see the politics? It's sad.

    I would not consider Slater ever saw the people or wider political issues - he seems to be all about power and hate.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1223 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi, in reply to DexterX,

    I would not consider Slater ever saw the people or wider political issues – he seems to be all about power and hate.

    I've thought about this a fair bit, and the only thing that makes sense (short of frankly offensive armchair psychiatry diagnosing him with a genuine disorder) is that he sees himself as part of a larger machine. It's his job to do the distasteful things so that the rest of the guys on his "side" (a side that, admittedly, fluctuates a little) can do what they need to do to win. He's not really in it for the politics per se, and I wouldn't be surprised if similar personality types appear across the political spectrum occasionally.

    I guess when you're raised in a family like his, the politics are a given, it's just how you pursue them that's the question. (Although I personally know of at least one daughter of a right wing MP who has rebelled quite successfully, though there is the complicating factor of matters of sexual orientation that make the shift to the left a reasonable response anyway.)

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    A certain misplaced vanity will allow one to become the reflection of "dirty work done for good causes". I wonder how many times young Cam has watched this... no points for guessing with whom he empathises. The perfect antihero;


    Well oil be pwned.

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 787 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH, in reply to Andre Alessi,

    I’ve thought about this a fair bit, and the only thing that makes sense (short of frankly offensive armchair psychiatry diagnosing him with a genuine disorder) is that he sees himself as part of a larger machine. It’s his job to do the distasteful things so that the rest of the guys on his “side” (a side that, admittedly, fluctuates a little) can do what they need to do to win.

    Perhaps. I think he enjoys himself when he attacks people, I don't think he sees himself as doing something distasteful or that he is taking one for the team. Here's a profile of him from a few years back: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/features/2583835/Internet-warrior. I don't think it supports your take on him. "I do this for me", "It's about getting attention." Incidentally that story includes a quote from Key's then press secretary Kevin Taylor denying any contact between the PM's office and Slater; chalk that up as another baldfaced lie out of the PM's office.

    Since Sep 2009 • 444 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to nzlemming,

    Fuck. That's a traincrash of an interview. What the hell prompted Slater to be part of it? Seems that Gower's worm has turned somewhat.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2813 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    I couldn’t make Google image work that way, had to use tineye. to find it here. *

    The book club link was just below the Media Bakery link when I just tried it. Looks like a pretty standard stock image, by the number of sites hosting it.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2813 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi, in reply to SteveH,

    Oh, I don’t doubt that he does enjoy it, but not in a particularly pathological way. He wouldn’t complain about criticism as much as he does if he was genuinely ill (which is an allegation I see tossed around regularly.) Getting attention is definitely a significant part of what he believes he’s doing.

    My point was rather A) there’s nothing inherent in his politics that necessitates his behaviour (or vice versa), and B) there’s no reason to assume genuine mental illness as an explanation for his behaviour when his actions are viewed as a means to an end, even if he happens to enjoy distasteful elements of what he does. (That doesn’t mean I approve of his actions or think they’re justified in any way, just that I don’t think writing his behaviour off in those ways is particularly helpful.)

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report Reply

  • william blake, in reply to Andre Alessi,

    There was a bio of Slater in the Listener some whole ago where he talked about his mental health and his diagnosis. It may go someway to explain some of his excesses and certainly raises questions of exploitation by his powerful friends.

    Since Mar 2010 • 351 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH, in reply to nzlemming,

    Fuck. That’s a traincrash of an interview. What the hell prompted Slater to be part of it? Seems that Gower’s worm has turned somewhat.

    What is it about the Right that triggers amnesia? I see Slater has also caught it.

    Since Sep 2009 • 444 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    Coming from the National right being personally responsible for your own actions is a big part of the ethos, Slater had better get with the program and stop tryin to blame others for hos own mistakes

    What? I'm sorry, Paul, but can we just stipulate that death threats just aren't acceptable and leave it there? Of course it's as absurd as it is distasteful to try holding anyone but the perpetrators responsible, but Slater deserves that baseline courtesy as much as Hager.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12363 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to SteveH,

    Here's a profile of him from a few years back: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/features/2583835/Internet-warrior.</q>

    There's a good quote from Russell in that story.

    "Says left-leaning journalist and blogger Russell Brown: "He strikes me as an arrested adolescent. I think he's got a real problem with women. Given the apparent degree of his role within the National Party, I wonder if at some point they should be called on that. I don't respect him at all, frankly."

    Bingo! I think they've been well and truly called.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1328 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to nzlemming,

    Seems that Gower’s worm has turned somewhat.

    Just watched the first couple of minutes again. Gower's body language is fascinating. As was Slater's, later on. I think he was expecting a softball "poor you" interview.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2813 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2813 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    What? I’m sorry, Paul, but can we just stipulate that death threats just aren’t acceptable and leave it there? Of course it’s as absurd as it is distasteful to try holding anyone but the perpetrators responsible, but Slater deserves that baseline courtesy as much as Hager

    Oh I completely agree - death threats are wrong, always - but I'm talking here about blaming people for inciting them, not the threats themselves.

    If Slater's going to blame Hager for 3rd party death threats because he thinks that somehow Hager has incited them he really needs to realise that people are angry at him (Slater) because of his behaviour, not because Hager has pointed out his behaviour - he needs to own the consequences of what he has done, not try and blame others

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2556 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover,

    John Armstrong:

    Key, meanwhile, is placing himself at considerable risk. It only requires someone connected with one of the incidents in the book to dispute and disprove the Prime Minister's assertion that it all has "nothing to do with National" for Key to be in serious trouble credibility wise.

    David Cunliffe: like this? The Labour Party has released documents it says proves its website was hacked by people working for the National Party. (earlier this afternoon)

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • James George,

    Quite frankly I don't understand the time and energy being wasted on Slater. There are no complex issues motivating him that require de-constructing, interpreting or analysing.
    I reckon he is a selfish man who was once a selfish boy. Greed is his only motivation - as evidenced by his charges in the thousands of dollars for merely attaching his nym to piece someone else has written.
    e.g. Money comes from a coalition of drug pushers interested in getting more kiwis hooked on nicotine - at least until they die of emphysema coughing out their lungs - hence the need to keep recruiting young Kiwis at the front into the addiction to cover losses due to attrition in older addicts, gotta keep the brand viable eh?.
    "No worries", says the slug that'll be about six n a half grand a month".

    Or some other multinational with the ethics of a diseased tapeworm (see murder of coca-cola workers by Latin American hits squads back in the 90's. Those scum had the gall to ask for sufficient wage to put food on the family table - natch they had to die) forms a consortium of like minded greed heads to oppose restrictions on the sale of obesity inducing no-nutritional sugar water to children. Cam is there ready to help - with his hand outstretched of course. Some may say the slug wanted to help the coca-cola gang because he needs everyone else to look like a slob too & that way he won't have so much competition to 'pull the gash' but I don't believe that - I reckon he did it because there was an earner in it and scruples don't fill up the bank account.
    Simple stuff by a simple mind unable to comprehend the complexities of leading a fulfilling existence.

    Since Sep 2007 • 95 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Not that it means much, but I've just unfriended Farrar on Facebook and Twitter. Being able to keep an eye on what he's up to is no longer worth inflating his "friends" numbers. Not that he'll care, but it makes me feel marginally better.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2813 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Teh lulz, they keep a-comin'...

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2813 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to nzlemming,

    Now that's ones made me sick up in my mouth a little bit.

    Anyone know what's happened to our prime minister? Has he gone to ground or something? I haven't heard from him in ages.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3865 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Sjorn,

    Both TV One and Three seemed very muted on this tonight. Key critisising Cunliffe for not being positive being the gist of TV One and Cam Slater complaining of Death Threats the headline on Three. All about the reaction rather than the actual substance of the allegations themselves. A good result for National I would have thought. Is there any hope Sunday papers might.take a different perspective tomorrow?

    New Zealand • Since Sep 2013 • 39 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Easterbrook, in reply to nzlemming,

    Bwahahahahaha!

    Aaron Gilmore on the revenge trail? Now THAT would be some kind of weird poetic justice.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 261 posts Report Reply

  • tim,

    Someone posted this on FB - its from 2010 but I wonder if it provides some context for Slaters behaviour

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10648347

    comments from his wife:

    In response, Atkins wrote: "I do not have the power to stop him. It is because he is clinically depressed that he says and does out-there things. He was nothing like this before he became ill.

    "He shoots from the hip with no thought of the consequences for himself for others or indeed his family. The very fact that he says hurtful things that show a total lack of empathy is the evidence that he is seriously ill.

    "He watches me cry my eyes out again and again and it moves him not one iota. You want me to be upset that he has hurt others? I am too busy dealing with his lack of empathy towards me."

    :/

    Wellington • Since Sep 2009 • 19 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover,

    It is because he is clinically depressed

    I really question that diagnosis.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    In the interest of fairness and valance, just as the media refer to the alleged claims of Nicky Hager, so then we should refer to the alleged death threats against Cameron Slater.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2502 posts Report Reply

First ←Older Page 1 17 18 19 20 21 91 Newer→ Last

Post your response…

Please sign in using your Public Address credentials…

Login

You may also create an account or retrieve your password.