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Hard News: One man’s Meat Puppets is another man’s Poison

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  • Danielle, in reply to Sacha,

    There are still photos of my incredibly religious sister's stepdaughter wearing a 'FRANKIE SAYS RELAX t-shirt in the 80s, before my sister discovered what THAT song was about. Snerk.

    Old-school Christian country makes me happy despite my non-belief.

    Or this, this, this:

    If anyone could convert me, it would be the Reverend Al.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3661 posts Report Reply

  • st ephen, in reply to Simon Grigg,

    Don Letts fantastic Punk: Attitude says it so much better than I'm perhaps doing

    I think what says it all is the bit in Westway to the World where you find out that the cool kids in the scene spent most of "That Summer" arguing about who was and wasn't punk. I was always too cynical to join any particular tribe, since going down that route meant not only liking the 'right' stuff but also hating on everything else (most of which I still like). My loss in some ways, but then again I've always had all the other genres to enjoy.

    dunedin • Since Jul 2008 • 204 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Danielle,

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16771 posts Report Reply

  • Ngaire BookieMonster, in reply to Danielle,

    That version of 'For What It's Worth' *terrified* me as a child.

    I thought I was the only one. It terrified me too. And I LOVE The Muppets.

    At the foot of Mt Te Aroh… • Since Nov 2009 • 173 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Danielle,

    These conjure up spiritual connection for me

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2608 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe,

    And Hollie Smith

    And Tiki Taane is soo powerful here

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2608 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg, in reply to st ephen,

    I think what says it all is the bit in Westway to the World where you find out that the cool kids in the scene spent most of "That Summer" arguing about who was and wasn't punk.

    I remember similar conversations in NZ around the end of 77 when punk went mainstream.

    Terrorways drummer Kerry Buchanan and I were talking a few weeks back about how we were the closet Funkadelic and Chic fans - whispering to each other about how great George Clinton was. I was working part time in a record store and we'd have sessions playing the boogie 45s.

    For all that though, people forget that it was John Lydon who played a big part in popularising reggae when Branson took him to Jamaica when he was starting the Front Line reggae label. Mr. Rotten made him sign the whole country.

    The punk embrace of reggae helped Marley into the mainstream. He returned the compliment:

    Wailers still be there
    The Jam, The Dammed, The Clash
    Wailers still be there
    Dr. Feelgood too, ooh
    No boring all farts No boring all farts No boring all farts will be there
    No boring all farts No boring all farts No boring all farts will be there
    Yeah, it's the punky reggae party
    And it's tonight
    Punky reggae party
    And it's alright

    Words and Music by Bob Marley, 1977

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3208 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Hebe,

    And Tiki Taane is soo powerful here

    Tiki Taane was a name I learned from a CD my parents gave me. I did a little looking around, and, well, I hope he's getting his share of the advertising revenue (vids may be geoblocked to those from IPR respecting IP addresses), but I did find Tangaroa to be very powerful, indeed. No idea if that's the song you're referring to, cos I just can't see anything Youtube.

    I suspect I may have met the guy who uploaded 3 of those 4 Tiki Taane vids in a pub in Tianjin a few times... He's put a few other Aotearoan music vids on Youku, too.

    Beijing • Since Jan 2007 • 2152 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Simon Grigg,

    The day I bought the first Ramones album, I also bought Phil Manzanera's perfectly constructed proggy 801 Live. The latter had a few cursory plays, the first completely changed my life.

    801 Live - totally forgettable, except for track 1, side 1, which has never gone away for me. Brian Eno's singing may resemble "the shriek of a wounded hare that's been shot up the arse with an airgun pellet", as an NME reviewer described it on Here Come the Warm Jets (another innuendo-ish title), but I like him fine here, once he kicks in.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 3558 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    Ooo, I forgot to add that there is some music that I hate that's not because of PTSD.
    REM. All of it, all of the time.
    I think it's the lead singer's voice that does it, but I've never stuck with it long enough to be sure.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 373 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to Simon Grigg,

    It completely changed the way we made, wrote, recorded, consumed and released music.

    Back in those days, recording a hit song required very heavy and expensive studio equipment, and an army of middlemen. Now the same can be done on a personal computer for a fraction of the cost, and no middlemen. No wonder Big Music is jittery.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg, in reply to DeepRed,

    Back in those days, recording a hit song required very heavy and expensive studio equipment, and an army of middlemen.

    That was part of the punk thing though wasn't it - Yes required Warner Music to survive, The Mekons required Rough Trade.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3208 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Danielle,

    Jesus, you people with all your lyric analysing. I had never even thought of what it meant till just now. When Relax first came out, I never even thought about what it meant. It was all about the dancing in 1983. I'm sure if I was a young gay man, it may have been different, but.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3123 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP,

    What? We seem to have got to page 21, and the thread hasn't been RickRoll'd. This will not stand.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2144 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to JacksonP,

    Is that a love or a hate for you? Love, for me.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3123 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    All God's chilun got geetars...

    Jerusalem

    my fave version...

    sanctus...

    santus II

    now if I could just find some of Graham Bond's
    Holy Magick somewhere to give you some
    actual Atlantean/Crowleyean ritual music...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 5060 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    Is that a love or a hate for you?

    Umm, both? I will confess to dancing to it, but it was moistly ironically. At one stage I could do the hand movements almost perfectly.

    I think I've said too much.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2144 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to JacksonP,

    Busta mooves..

    it was moistly ironic...

    rust never sleeps...
    ...

    Sticking with the prog...
    and to end on a Jarring note

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 5060 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    I don’t even have words. I know he’s not in the same class as Eumir Deodato. But still. Speaking of whom, and bearing in mind that someone here already mentioned love for Al Jarreau.......

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3123 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to JacksonP,

    RickRoll'd.

    Shrink now required.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2608 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    Sorry, it was Tangaroa.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2608 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Ahem. She’s saying it wasn’t necessarily arse sex, but I think there can be no possible debate what that song is about.

    We’re talking about disco – if that’s not a musical genre all about smothering the most innocuous lyric in sexual innuendo (the gayer the better) what the hell is? Hey, Donna Summer made a career out of faking orgasms to Moroder at his most Euro-trashy.

    And YMMV, but I think Heaven will be much more agreeable if Sylvester is swishing around the place... (WARNING: Clip contains high levels of fabulousness that may freak out some viewers.)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Will de Cleene, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Yeah. How can people hate the theme music to nature docos?

    Raumati • Since Jul 2011 • 105 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard,

    Sheesh, I leave the thread for a while, and now it's approximately 50% bum sex?

    Jones just said "I don’t think it’s necessarily about that". And I suppose that Perfect Day isn't "necessarily" about heroin, either. Even if Jones didn't specifically intend it, it's hardly an outrageous twisting of the lyrics, especially given the bump & grind in the music itself. As one of the YouTube commenters says, "It's about as subtle as a Dick Emery sketch".

    Not that I actually read that into it when it came out: I was far too young and innocent. Another song that I loved back then, without realising just how astonishingly dodgy the lyrics were, was this:

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1039 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard, in reply to Will de Cleene,

    How can people hate the theme music to nature docos?

    I'd say that that brought back memories, but the truth is I've never stopped listening to it. When punk hit, I was listening to Jean-Michel Jarre, Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream and coaxing blippy square waves out of anything with a chip. It's fair to say that authenticity, "heart", rawness and emotiveness have never been high on my list of criteria for good music.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1039 posts Report Reply

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