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  • simon g, in reply to Alfie,

    Unfair on Audrey Young. Her summary is factual and fair, it's just filtered through the weekend kids at the Herald online.

    It really is an embarrassingly bad website. Errors abound, every day.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1204 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    ’old codger’ exposes himself on radio!

    Newstalk ZB host Leighton Smith called Jacinda Ardern a “chicky babe” during a broadcast on Wednesday.
    Smith was discussing one-on-one coalition talks between the Labour Party leader and her New Zealand First counterpart Winston Peter, which took place on Tuesday evening.
    Shortly after the 8.30am news, he invited listeners to imagine how the private discussions between the 72-year-old Peters and the 37-year-old Ardern unfolded.
    "How do you think the meeting between Winston and Jacinda was? What do you think?" Smith said.
    "Here's a guy of 72 with a 37-year-old chicky babe."

    Leighton Smith (born 1946 – ie he’s 71) fantasises about NZF/Labour negotiations and reveals more about himself than anything useful – also says a lot about his employers/enablers as well – might be time to let Mr Smith out to pasture – even send him back to Australia…
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/98023842/newstalk-zb-host-leighton-smith-calls-jacinda-ardern-chicky-babe

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7480 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Labour coalition govt - yeehah - so far so good!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7480 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Labour coalition govt - yeehah - so far so good!

    Against seemingly impossible odds too.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5312 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Greens have overwhelmingly ratified the deal. I'm so, so, stoked. I'm just...nah gotta go, it's too much. This is literally the first time I've had basically exactly the government I wanted. Can't process. It's real, it happened, she did it. Too awesome.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10488 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to BenWilson,

    It’s real, it happened, she did it. Too awesome.

    Yep, amazing. Now the task of proving it to be the dream team. Can't wait to hear all those taking Ministerial portfolios across the three coalition partners - people who want to make progress, as opposed to excuses.

    Palmerston North • Since Sep 2014 • 747 posts Report Reply

  • Dennis Frank,

    We need to wait until the text of the coalition agreement gets published. All we can say at this stage is that we have a center-left government in the process of emerging (like a butterfly from a chrysalis).

    Leftists celebrating what seems to them a win (I share the relief & anticipation) ought to beware framing it as a victory for the left. The electorate actually rejected both the left (43%) and the right (45%). The new government has been made possible by a centrist.

    I'm intrigued that Jacinda responded to the question about immigration numbers by saying she's adhering to Labour policy. Is she implying that NZF agreed to their much higher number? What will the agreement actually say on this? Also, she's refrained from rejecting neoliberalism. Blog commentators are tending to interpret Winston's comment that "capitalism must regain its human face" as a rejection of neoliberalism, but I suspect this govt will merely copy Helen Clark's. Neoliberalism with sufficient greenwash to keep leftist greens happy and enough reversion to socialist intervention to keep Labour traditionalists happy.

    If enough regional development is tossed into the mix, with enough immigration reduction, Winston will be happy. However, he's shrewd enough to know that those slippery leftists must be corralled by the explicit requirements of the coalition agreement so it can function as a contract between the two parties. Once a lawyer, now a wordsmith, so let's see how well he's done in the draughting process...

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2016 • 147 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Dennis Frank,

    Leftists celebrating what seems to them a win (I share the relief & anticipation) ought to beware framing it as a victory for the left.

    I feel pretty happy calling it a win for the Left. You'd have to define the Greens and Labour as being not on the Left to not see it that way. Which, from what you've said, I think you do. If so, then the "Leftists" that you are warning here are also not the people that most people would even be calling Leftists. You're warning that subgroup of people who are to the Left of the Greens and Labour. The Leftest of Leftists.

    Which is me, btw. I would consider myself to be to the left of Labour, for the most part. And yet, I'm still very happy about this result. Why? Because of the alternative - another 3 years of National, a historically long term as a reward for services, um, cut, would have been far, far worse in the human consequences. Probably also the environmental consequences, although we shall see.

    The Greens are in government ministerial positions for the first time in NZ's history. How that could be anything short of a fantastic result for the Greens is beyond me. The Green ratification of Labour's coalition with Peters was by an overwhelming majority.

    Sure, it's Peters. We've been here before. But this time he's compromised to bring the Greens into government. I seriously doubt he did that to shaft them.

    But yes, we'll see. I'm not, however, going to fail to celebrate the occasion, and the astonishing accomplishment of Ardern here, and what it means for what I consider to be NZ's Left. It means a lot.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10488 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to BenWilson,

    The Greens are in government ministerial positions for the first time in NZ's history. How that could be anything short of a fantastic result for the Greens is beyond me.

    It's a first for Australasia. As long as Australian Labor remains in thrall to big mining, both major federal parties there will collude to keep the Greens marginalised.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4512 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    It's probably too obvious to mention, but this choice serves an important practical purpose for Winston First too: joining a more fragmented government gives him and (more importantly for succession planning) many of his party's MPs more of a chance for media attention over the term. If Peters doesn't like either Labour's or the Greens' positions on an issue, he can still take a contrary position in the media without fear of reprisals. Allying himself with National, essentially being absorbed into them for most practical purposes, would have given NZF far less freedom, and far more risk of oblivion at the next election. Both times NZF previously joined the government, its support fell below 5% at the next election, so this has to be an important consideration.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1737 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    I bet the new waka jumping legislation was a requirement put on NZ First by Labour ....

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2550 posts Report Reply

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